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Loop system interference « Result #1 Today at 12:02pm »
OK, a technical question related, mostly, to church settings: We are pondering having a loop system installed at our church. For those who don't know, this is a system which allows the sound system to send a signal directly to hearing aids with the proper configuration. It involves a loop around the sanctuary inside of which is an electromagnetic field that makes eveything work - for those with hearing aids. If I have grossly mis-stated this because of my limited technical knowledge of such things, please forgive me. The question I have is whether these stystems cause interference/noise with outher components of a sound system, particulary musical instrument pickups?
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Re: Partisan divide on supernatural beliefs « Result #3 Today at 11:59am »
'I'm just pointing out that the fact that some scientist also believe in the supernatural does not mean that supernatural beliefs deserve respect equal to science.'
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Re: Partisan divide on supernatural beliefs « Result #4 Today at 11:57am »
On a side note, I would state as an easily demonstrated fact that all Doctors are scientists. You can't do what they do with the background they have to go through and not be a scientist. I know too many of them and am related to a few and while strict scientific basic research may not be the calling of all of them, all of them are perfectly capable of it. I'm also pretty safe in saying that a hell of a lot of Doctors are religious. Most, actually.
Re: Partisan divide on supernatural beliefs « Result #5 Today at 11:55am »
It's true that there is always a segment of scientist that also believe in the supernatural. I'm just pointing out that the fact that some scientist also believe in the supernatural does not mean that supernatural beliefs deserve respect equal to science. That's the fallacy I'm pointing out.
It's also a variation of the same fallacy when people say "Scientist don't know everything" when used as an argument of "Therefore my beliefs (which don't have any evidence at all and prove absolutely nothing) should be given equal respect." I refer those people to Bertrand Russel's teapot.
You bring up a good point about the non-trivial tolerance to the unknown. I'm always amazed at how much we really do know. My space, like yours, is also filled with art (specifically music) but by also reading about science, astronomy, biology and all the wonderful things that we do know about the world. But reading and understanding that stuff is hard and as you've pointed out, it's easier to accept a supernatural explanation than to apply the effort to understand the natural explanation.
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Re: Partisan divide on supernatural beliefs « Result #6 Today at 11:52am »
When you get to the elite levels of science like the Royal Society of Science in England the percentage of atheist approaches 95%.
I would love to know where you pulled that figure. But absent that, I went through the Royal Society website and it doesn't seem they are as adverse to religion as you might think.
This is a link to a recent lecture they sponsored.
'Science and religion are both concerned with the search for truth, attainable through well-motivated beliefs. The aspects of reality they investigate are different - in the case of science, the impersonal, physical world; in the case of religion, the transpersonal reality of God. Neither can tell the other what to think in its own domain, but their insights have to bear some consonant relation to each other. Science tells theology about the structure and history of the universe and, in particular, emphasises its evolutionary nature. Religious insight can set the laws of nature in a more profound context of understanding, so that their deep order, rational beauty and anthropic fine-tuning become intelligible features and need not to be treated as brute facts. As a consequence, there is a vigorous and enlightening intellectual exchange between the two.'
For 25 years, John Polkinghorne was a theoretical physicist, working on theories of elementary particles. He resigned his professorial chair to study for the Church of England ministry and was ordained an Anglican priest in 1982. In 2002, he was awarded the Templeton Prize for his contributions to research at the interface between science and religion.
You could just as well be hung for a sheep as a goat.
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Re: Partisan divide on supernatural beliefs « Result #8 Today at 11:46am »
Scientists are a mixed lot, as are all groups. Except Farmers. We Farmers live clear lives based on reason and ... oh, my gooodness, there goes a December crow, time to sell some wheat, right now. I'll finish this up later.
Viewing the world through rose colored glasses is deceptive and viewing the world through poop colored glasses will make everything look like crap. See the world clearly, think positively, and act to make things better.
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Re: Partisan divide on supernatural beliefs « Result #10 Today at 11:32am »
Dru, there's no getting around the fact that acceptance of the supernatural is widely distributed, and that no demographic/vocational segment is entirely without some variety and degree of it. (Until we declare "village atheist" a profession--right now it seems to be a cottage industry.)
While I'm not surprised that the top layers of the "scientist" demographic slice (at least in the West) tend not to accept the supernatural, there remain plenty of people who teach and practice science and organize their understanding of the world along rational-materialist lines who also include various non-materialist elements--I live among them. As far as I can determine, their religious beliefs occupy parts of their world-view not exhaustively accounted for and satisfied by materialist models, and I take this to be (to put it over-simply) an emotional response--they fill in the "we don't know/understand entirely" spaces in their cosmologies with propositions that feel right to them, that make the world make sense, or make it bearable. It takes a non-trivial tolerance for uncertainty to let the unknown (and perhaps unknowable) remain unknown, and most people would rather fill in the blanks with something. (I fill some of that space with art. The rest is the abyss. So it goes.)
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