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Post by factorychef on Mar 22, 2009 17:47:18 GMT -5
6 months ago I bought a guitar for something to do. I never tried to play in my 62 years but maybe I could learn something for my own enjoyment. I guess I've been bitten by the bug and can't seem to put it down. I went to Todd's today for a lesson on fingerpicking as I don't like using a pick. Now I start hiding out from my wife as I practice, I may well be on my way to playing something at IJam2009. My Seagull S6 has done me well and have about 6 weeks for my green Cargo to get here. The songs I want to play are all from the 60's or older and someone from the soundhole knows all of the old standards. So if you see an old guy at IJam with a green Cargo It just may be me.
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Post by billhammond on Mar 22, 2009 18:11:01 GMT -5
That's great, Chef! You are gonna love that Cargo, my friend!
Looking forward to September .......
-- Bill H
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Post by Supertramp78 on Mar 22, 2009 18:58:20 GMT -5
Yeahm but it will never sound as good as your Seagull
(thus spake the seagull owner)
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Post by TDR on Mar 22, 2009 21:23:22 GMT -5
I like that. Goes to show you're never too old to learn stuff.
Even if you're probly too old for punk.
What's a factory chef? Is that the guys who make Lean Cuisine, or what?
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Post by Village Idiot on Mar 22, 2009 21:37:44 GMT -5
Bob, the museum relic the Factory Chef and I had a real good time today. We intensified ourselves on guitar and guitar only for three straight hours today. I'm not a good player by any means, and Bob, at 62, is just starting. It was nice for me to be able to dispense some advice, it was great to see someone willing to tackle this with such tenacity. We talked about the five elements of music, which are melody, harmony, rhythm, tone and form. And how he has the rhythm absolutey down, understands how melody trumps all, and boy is he figuring out all of this stuff fast. A quick study. Turns out we both listened to Prairie Home Companion this weekend, and were both struck by a song by a guest named John McDermott. A wonderful song about how a person strives to remain different and follow his own course, no matter what people think of him. I've found a website, but haven't been able to locate the particular song he did on PHC this weekend. It's one that many of us would relate to. Anybody had a clue? |
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Post by TDR on Mar 22, 2009 21:46:27 GMT -5
We talked about the five elements of music, which are melody, harmony, rhythm, tone and form. Form? I guess I must don't got any.... cuz I don't even know what that is. |
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Post by billhammond on Mar 22, 2009 21:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by Village Idiot on Mar 22, 2009 21:54:56 GMT -5
Form being the shape of a song. A beginning, a middle, an end, etc. Roadsigns so people know where you are in a song, that you're actually getting somewhere, and are one your way to arriving at some sort of conclusion.
As opposed to noodling, which can go on forever. I can't remember who it was, but some esteemed guitar player from California used the term "yellow pages playing", or something like that, to define endless noodling around.
Form simply means that the listener will be given the chance to know that the song is actually going somewhere, and will arrive at a conclusion.
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Post by dradtke on Mar 23, 2009 12:04:59 GMT -5
So the audience knows how far you are form the end?
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Post by Village Idiot on Mar 23, 2009 12:20:51 GMT -5
Yes. Like, for example, with The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, or American Pie or Barbara Allen.
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Post by Don Clark on Mar 23, 2009 12:47:04 GMT -5
Sure sounds like we're going to have us some fun come September........
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Post by TDR on Mar 23, 2009 18:08:28 GMT -5
Form being the shape of a song. A beginning, a middle, an end, etc. Roadsigns so people know where you are in a song... Oh. Thanks for clarifying. I think of that as structure. The chart (chord changes) for players. Or the reptitions, AABA or whatever for song writing. Two of these and one of those, then the vamp. Then one of these and one of those. That's one of the five elements, hunh? I shoulda went to music school. |
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Post by Village Idiot on Mar 23, 2009 19:30:54 GMT -5
Yes. Structure. Shape. Not noodling around for 10 minutes.
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Post by millring on Mar 23, 2009 19:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by billhammond on Mar 23, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -5
We will cover tuning the guitar in a later installment.
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Post by RickW on Mar 23, 2009 19:56:14 GMT -5
That's such a great tune, too. That and hummingbird were two of my favourites from that time.
Welcome to our wonderful world, mr. chef. I played for about 45 minutes today, taking it easy on my sore arm, which continues to improve. Goodness gracious, I loves to play...
But damn, I love noodling. Noodling is an ART, it's constant improvisation, it's...it's...well, totally self-indulgent meandering, but it's damn fun. So there.
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Post by Village Idiot on Mar 23, 2009 20:46:57 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with Mr. Factorychef. He asked while working on a fingerpicking thing with his right hand, if it was ok to move his left hand around, and my answer was absolutely, in fact that's what you want to do.
I mentioned an old thread from Doc Froon on AG called The Hand that Holds the Tool. It was about how the left hand is the vice, the right hand does the work. I remember it being good enough to be archived somewhere. Does anyone remember where it is? I'd like to re-read it myself.
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Post by Doug on Mar 23, 2009 20:51:24 GMT -5
I like Roy Bookbinder's comments on that.
"Left hand is what you know, the right hand is what you feel."
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Post by billhammond on Mar 23, 2009 20:52:52 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with Mr. Factorychef. He asked while working on a fingerpicking thing with his right hand, if it was ok to move his left hand around, and my answer was absolutely, in fact that's what you want to do. I mentioned an old thread from Doc Froon on AG called The Hand that Holds the Tool. It was about how the left hand is the vice, the right hand does the work. I remember it being good enough to be archived somewhere. Does anyone remember where it is? I'd like to re-read it myself. Actually, being addicted to the guitar is the vice. Perhaps the left hand can be regarded as a vise, though. The best quote I ever heard about left/right hand as regards guitar was from Bob Brozman, who famously said (and assuming that you are right-handed): Your left hand is what you know. Your right hand is who you are. |
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Post by billhammond on Mar 23, 2009 20:54:03 GMT -5
Wow, Doug.
Different words, different sources.
Dunno which is right, but either way, I love the quote!
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