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Post by Doug on Nov 15, 2012 11:57:59 GMT -5
My place in N FL 13 acres this years taxes $62 (BTW that's why I can sit on it and wait for the prices to come back up). Taxes here $231. Taxes on my mothers house in Orlando that we sold were ~ $1500.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 15, 2012 12:08:34 GMT -5
I was paying something over $4000 in Pa. but moved here, among other things, for the lower taxes. The income taxes were higher in Pa. too. One of the tricks to retiring was supposed to be moving to a lower cost area. Most of my relatives seem to be gravitating to South Carolina, from Florida now because of taxes and insurance I guess. We'll probably stay around here somewhere just not at this address. Back when we were looking at houses, there was a new ranch on an acre a few miles north of here for $200,000. Those are still around and may have gotten cheaper by now. I have about $375,000 in this place and if I could get $300,000 I could still get one of those places and come out with some cash, after building another quilting studio. What few places around that are sort of similar to this one list for around $500,000 but I don't know what they actually sell for.
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Post by factorychef on Nov 15, 2012 12:25:12 GMT -5
What the f----. What planet are we on? I agree with Rob.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 15, 2012 13:10:12 GMT -5
Tim, to me, your point of view makes no logical sense at all. Therefore I must assume you can't possibly really believe it. It's all the same stuff I was fed when I was a kid that has failed worldwide. You can keep saying that things are getting better and everything will be OK and your stuff will work but I see no evidence to back up the claim. I've distrusted Democrats for over 40 years and nothing they have done has caused me to change my opinion of them. They set out to ruin the U.S.A and they're succeeding. You want me to suddenly be happy about that? That makes no sense at all. Bruce, what you're missing is that in that 40 years you're talking about, modern GOP-style conservatism has reigned, even when Clinton was in office. During that 40 years we have swung progressively further to the right, cutting taxes, gutting regulations, emasculating regulatory enforcement and never letting go of the top-down economic strategy introduced by Reagan at the beginning of the time period you're talking about. Not even under Obama. Not yet. You don't trust Democrats? Cool. I don't trust them much myself. But the economy we have, right now, is the result of the dominance of contemporary American faux conservativism. In spite of decades of feeding the economy from the top and getting regulations and regulators out of business more than they have been since the 1920s (yes, even under Clinton, even under Obama), marginalizing labor into complete impotency, etc...we still managed to lose jobs, and the industries capable of generating jobs, we managed to shrink the middle class and weaken much of what was left of it, and we still managed to grow government and debt like Pam Anderson's breasts. Hate Democrats if that's what you need to do. But blaming the current economics on anything but the economic approach that has dominated American politics for nearly 50 years? Dude, that's just not paying attention. This modern version of American conservatism, which I would argue is not conservative at all, has had a long, powerful run that ended with two terms of the worst president of a lifetime. I don't believe a return to the old liberal progressivism of the 70s is the answer at all. That's not my point of view, and if that's what you think I'm saying you're just starting with my criticisms of the right and filling in the blanks with your own assumptions. But more of this? Take the band aid off and pick at the scab awhile? No thanks, man. Time to try something different. Maybe a little moderation? Now that's what conservatism is supposed to stand for! Tim
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 15, 2012 13:42:13 GMT -5
Tim, they knew it would take 2 generations to create the inescapable socialist society in the U.S back in '70 and they were right. Incidentally, we are currently in a much worse presidency than we were under GWB. This one's going to finish the US as a country, just as it wanted to do.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 15, 2012 13:54:56 GMT -5
Bruce, didn't you predict that Obama would suspend the election and declare martial law?
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Post by timfarney on Nov 15, 2012 13:55:22 GMT -5
Tim, they knew it would take 2 generations to create the inescapable socialist society in the U.S back in '70 and they were right. Incidentally, we are currently in a much worse presidency than we were under GWB. This one's going to finish the US as a country, just as it wanted to do. They knew it would take two generations to create an inescapable socialist society in the US so they spent those two generations tirelessly promotiing free-market capitalism? Bruce, I want some of what you're smoking. Tim
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Post by Fingerplucked on Nov 15, 2012 13:58:08 GMT -5
Hey, if Fox says it's socialism, it's socialism, dammit.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 15, 2012 14:03:40 GMT -5
Bruce, didn't you predict that Obama would suspend the election and declate martial law? I believe he did. Can't really blame Bruce for the inaccuracy of that prediction, though. Obama would have declared martial law and called off the election, but his secret Muslim Kenyan Commie spy network rigged the whole thing with gifts to students...and women and Hispanics and Catholics and independents, and swing states and African Americans and.... ...anyway, he just didn't need the martial law plan after all. But that was the plan before he, like, planned to win. Tim
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Post by Doug on Nov 15, 2012 14:31:42 GMT -5
Tim, I want to agree with "faux conservativism". But that contradictory with moving farther to the right. We've been moving more and more left since FDR, more government is more left. And we sure have a lot more government than we had 40 yrs ago.
faux conservativism just leftist with a different name.
The last conservative presidential candidate was Goldwater.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 15, 2012 14:45:33 GMT -5
Bruce, didn't you predict that Obama would suspend the election and declate martial law? I believe he did. Can't really blame Bruce for the inaccuracy of that prediction, though. Obama would have declared martial law and called off the election, but his secret Muslim Kenyan Commie spy network rigged the whole thing with gifts to students...and women and Hispanics and Catholics and independents, and swing states and African Americans and.... ...anyway, he just didn't need the martial law plan after all. But that was the plan before he, like, planned to win. Tim Well, I was partially right. I said there wouldn't be an election and there really wasn't.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 15, 2012 16:23:03 GMT -5
I believe he did. Can't really blame Bruce for the inaccuracy of that prediction, though. Obama would have declared martial law and called off the election, but his secret Muslim Kenyan Commie spy network rigged the whole thing with gifts to students...and women and Hispanics and Catholics and independents, and swing states and African Americans and.... ...anyway, he just didn't need the martial law plan after all. But that was the plan before he, like, planned to win. Tim Well, I was partially right. I said there wouldn't be an election and there really wasn't. You didn't get to vote, Bruce? The GOP candidate didn't get millions of votes? the GOP didn't take states? I would've sworn they took the one I'm in. How wasn't this an election? Tim
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 15, 2012 16:57:34 GMT -5
The result was bought and paid for long before November. Your side had nothing, no plans, no budget for years, mostly the same policies you hated under Bush, nothing. All you could do was defame an upstanding citizen and your flunkies repeated the lies over and over until the base of your party believed them. Your noses must be really long but you bought an election and you'll have to live with the consequences.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 15, 2012 17:01:33 GMT -5
The result was bought and paid for long before November. Your side had nothing, no plans, no budget for years, mostly the same policies you hated under Bush, nothing. All you could do was defame an upstanding citizen and your flunkies repeated the lies over and over until the base of your party believed them. Your noses must be really long but you bought an election and you'll have to live with the consequences. Or, the American people listened to both sides, went to the polls in large numbers (despite all the vote-impairment tactics by the GOP) and the president was re-elected.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 15, 2012 17:04:51 GMT -5
The result was bought and paid for long before November. Your side had nothing, no plans, no budget for years, mostly the same policies you hated under Bush, nothing. All you could do was defame an upstanding citizen and your flunkies repeated the lies over and over until the base of your party believed them. Your noses must be really long but you bought an election and you'll have to live with the consequences. You listen to a full 3 hours of Rush every day, don't you? Tim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 17:27:40 GMT -5
I think this is a strange place for you to attempt to attract followers for your new doomsday cult Bruce. Have you considered shouting your warnings through a megaphone at random strangers?
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 15, 2012 18:14:08 GMT -5
The result was bought and paid for long before November. Your side had nothing, no plans, no budget for years, mostly the same policies you hated under Bush, nothing. All you could do was defame an upstanding citizen and your flunkies repeated the lies over and over until the base of your party believed them. Your noses must be really long but you bought an election and you'll have to live with the consequences. You listen to a full 3 hours of Rush every day, don't you? Tim Tim, honestly, I have never listened to Rush, not once. Hard as it may be to believe, I write my own material. I frequently find out that someone on the right has said what I said a couple of days later. They're a little slow to catch on I guess.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 15, 2012 19:59:23 GMT -5
You listen to a full 3 hours of Rush every day, don't you? Tim Tim, honestly, I have never listened to Rush, not once. Hard as it may be to believe, I write my own material. I frequently find out that someone on the right has said what I said a couple of days later. They're a little slow to catch on I guess. This is not flattering. Tim
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