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Post by Doug on Jan 21, 2013 7:10:04 GMT -5
If you haven't had an AD (accidental discharge) you will.
And if you are a safe gun handler where will the gun be pointed when you have an AD?
The rules of gun safety follow from this mindset. There are many variations, and one of them is the Four Rules introduced by Colonel Jeff Cooper, which are: All guns are always loaded. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
—Jeff Cooper[1]
The NRA provides a similar set of rules:
ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
—The National Rifle Association, The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling[2]
The Canadian Firearms Program uses the concept of The Four Firearm ACTS:
Assume every firearm is loaded. Control the muzzle direction at all times. Trigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard. See that the firearm is unloaded. PROVE it safe.
—Canadian Firearms Centre, The Four ACTS of Firearm Safety[3]
Answer - In a safe direction.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Jan 21, 2013 10:25:28 GMT -5
If wishes and dreams were candies and creams we would all weigh a thousand pounds....
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Post by billhammond on Jan 21, 2013 10:37:41 GMT -5
Very sensible suggestions from the NRA. Then they turn around and argue that silencers should not be outlawed. What possible justification could any private citizen have for owning a silencer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:41:52 GMT -5
Every gun owner is a safe and smart gun owner until they aren't. People make mistakes. They forget. They get drunk. Crap happens. I'm pretty sure lots of people who have been properly trained still have accidents. One of the guys in that video was a cop who accidentally shot himself in the leg while giving a gun safety talk at a school. Part of our gun problem is that every gun owner is NOT a safe gun owner. People tend to take gun ownership as a right but fail to respect that right as a very serious responsibility too. The trained gun owner is just as dangerous as the untrained one if he/she is too casual about the responsibility of owning/handling a weapon. The Police Officer states that he is the only one in the room qualified to handle that Glock, then promptly shoots himself in the leg. Why? Because he racked that weapon when there was no need to do so, he was showing off, too casual an attitude. I just thought of something else. Because I find it hard to believe that a Police Officer would have a loaded weapon in a classroom. The Policeman may have intended for that firearm to go off at that time. The video ends at the correct point for making it look like he made a mistake. But what if he had his weapon loaded with blanks and had the trigger pulled when he racked the weapon. His first statement of He being the only one in the room qualified to handle the weapon then makes pretty good sense. He was showing them what happens when you disrespect the rules and responsibility of owning a weapon.
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Post by RickW on Jan 21, 2013 10:43:36 GMT -5
Very sensible suggestions from the NRA. Then they turn around and argue that silencers should not be outlawed. What possible justification could any private citizen have for owning a silencer? Or guns that don't show up in airport X-rays, or bullets that can penetrate police armor? Or the need for large clips? I understand the desire for a lobby group. I don't understand any of the above, other than its easier to simply always say no.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Jan 21, 2013 10:47:16 GMT -5
Part of our gun problem is that every gun owner is NOT a safe gun owner. People tend to take gun ownership as a right but fail to respect that right as a very serious responsibility too. The trained gun owner is just as dangerous as the untrained one if he/she is too casual about the responsibility of owning/handling a weapon. The Police Officer states that he is the only one in the room qualified to handle that Glock, then promptly shoots himself in the leg. Why? Because he racked that weapon when there was no need to do so, he was showing off, too casual an attitude. I just thought of something else. Because I find it hard to believe that a Police Officer would have a loaded weapon in a classroom. The Policeman may have intended for that firearm to go off at that time. The video ends at the correct point for making it look like he made a mistake. But what if he had his weapon loaded with blanks and had the trigger pulled when he racked the weapon. His first statement of He being the only one in the room qualified to handle the weapon then makes pretty good sense. He was showing them what happens when you disrespect the rules and responsibility of owning a weapon. Sorry, but it happened. www.snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:51:22 GMT -5
Very sensible suggestions from the NRA. Then they turn around and argue that silencers should not be outlawed. What possible justification could any private citizen have for owning a silencer? While I have seen guys with silencers on their pistol I will have to agree, Why the hell would you EVER need one.
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Post by Doug on Jan 21, 2013 11:08:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd have a need for a silencer on a pistol, but for a .22 rifle hunting squirrels it would be great.
But considering the most used silencers are 2 lt bottles and pillows it is hard to outlaw silencers.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 21, 2013 11:10:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd have a need for a silencer on a pistol, but for a .22 rifle hunting squirrels it would be great. But considering the most used silencers are 2 lt bottles and pillows it is hard to outlaw silencers. Well, THAT is comforting, that I guess that is common knowledge in Gun World ....
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Post by Doug on Jan 21, 2013 11:12:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd have a need for a silencer on a pistol, but for a .22 rifle hunting squirrels it would be great. But considering the most used silencers are 2 lt bottles and pillows it is hard to outlaw silencers. Well, THAT is comforting, that I guess that is common knowledge in Gun World .... common knowledge if you watch TV
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Post by billhammond on Jan 21, 2013 11:15:03 GMT -5
Well, THAT is comforting, that I guess that is common knowledge in Gun World .... common knowledge if you watch TV Not on the shows that I watch! ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:26:26 GMT -5
I just thought of something else. Because I find it hard to believe that a Police Officer would have a loaded weapon in a classroom. The Policeman may have intended for that firearm to go off at that time. The video ends at the correct point for making it look like he made a mistake. But what if he had his weapon loaded with blanks and had the trigger pulled when he racked the weapon. His first statement of He being the only one in the room qualified to handle the weapon then makes pretty good sense. He was showing them what happens when you disrespect the rules and responsibility of owning a weapon. Sorry, but it happened. www.snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.aspThe video did not show him removing the clip or checking the weapon. Snopes says he did so I guess it's back to showing off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:31:46 GMT -5
common knowledge if you watch TV Not on the shows that I watch! ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) I do have to admit I have NEVER seen Judge Judy with a gun. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:39:44 GMT -5
My dad was a gun collector. I saw or heard about the stupid and careless things he did. One night he brought out a pistol to show to friends after dinner. I am sure there had been drinking involved. While he tried to remove the clip, the gun discharged. Luckily, we had a copper topped table that stopped the bullet. It would have hit my mother in the midsection.
Later in life he moved to Mexico after my mom passed away. In his house in Puerto Vallarta, he had guns. Non Mexican citizens are not allowed to own them. He showed the wrong person the guns. Somehow he was warned local authotities were coming to get him and he and second wife,Rose, escaped with what they could get in the car.
15 years later, she still cannot set foot in Mexico without fear of arrest and incarceration.Dad? He kicked the bucket two years go.
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Post by mnhermit on Jan 21, 2013 12:14:20 GMT -5
Yup,,,I want to live somewhere that only government officials and criminals can own firearms.
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Post by Doug on Jan 21, 2013 12:25:58 GMT -5
Yup,,,I want to live somewhere that only government officials and criminals can own firearms. But I repeat myself. Stop gun violence ban government from having guns.
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Post by Doug on Jan 21, 2013 12:37:01 GMT -5
[/img][/quote] One of the reasons I like to use .22 shorts. Standard velocity .22 ammo is subsonic too but hard to find these days. Mostly called target ammo from Ely. Target ammo should not cross the speed of sound as that causes a jump in the trajectory. .22 target ammo starts subsonic and stays that way to the target, high power target ammo starts supersonic and stays that way to the target.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jan 21, 2013 13:57:24 GMT -5
Very sensible suggestions from the NRA. Then they turn around and argue that silencers should not be outlawed. What possible justification could any private citizen have for owning a silencer? Quieter accidental discharge?
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Post by Supertramp78 on Jan 21, 2013 14:16:38 GMT -5
When I have an accidental discharge I prefer to keep quiet about it.
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