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Post by godotwaits on Feb 17, 2013 12:36:09 GMT -5
Anybody seen the cover of the NYTimes Magazine yet today?
Maybe one of you technical wizards would like to drag it on over here and let the snarky remarks begin.
Haven't read it yet. I gotta go milk some cows. I'll grab a copy from my local purveyor of left wing rags on the way out to pasture.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 17, 2013 13:43:17 GMT -5
Like this?  OK, that's just asking for trouble... ;D |
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Post by RobinL on Feb 17, 2013 17:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 17:30:51 GMT -5
Read the article. It is pretty good. Executive summary is that there were young conservative tech-savvy types who told the GOP and the Romney campaign that the Democrats and the Obama campaign would be cleaning their clock because they had figured out how to use the Tubes of the Internets much better than the GOP, and the GOP establishment blew them off. Also, the GOP's base is dwindling and will soon shrink to a size small enough to drown in a bathtub, to borrow a popular phrase....
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Post by dradtke on Feb 17, 2013 17:32:36 GMT -5
The snarky graphics might make conservatives less likely to read the article, which is actually pretty insightful.
The best comment IMO is from David Plouffe, who was instrumental in developing the Democrat's online presence. In reference to Republican leaders holding meetings and retreats to figure out what they woulda coulda shoulda done to win the last election, he says, “If there’s a review board the Democrats put together in 2032, or even 2020, and I’m on it,” he said, “we’re screwed.”
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Post by Supertramp78 on Feb 17, 2013 17:57:26 GMT -5
That fact that so many Republicans (including the candidates) were convinced that they were going to win last November tells me that there was a serious disconnect between reality and what they thought the numbers were telling them. You had Rassmusen out there with a multi point bias away from what reality ended up being. You had all of the right wing media saying it was obvious they were going to win. We had guys here telling us it was so obvious Obama was going to lose. A lot of these opinions were probably based more on the individual's dislike of Obama than any actual data crunching. The most obvious was the focus from the right on national polls instead of statewide polls. Al Gore can tell you that national polls don't matter. The right was attacking Nate Silver, not just because they didn't like what he was telling them, but that they actually thought he was wrong. Turned out he was absolutely right. Again the question was how did the GOP get their numbers so wrong?
One thing I saw was the assumption of polling bias in the samples if the percentages of self declared Democrats wasn't at least close to the number of sel declared Republicans. If a poll said a Democrat was ahead by 5 points and the poll said that the number of people sampled who said they were Democrats was 5 points greater than than Republicans, then the poll would be branded a lie by the right. "See? They just asked more Democrats!" Well, actually no. The sample was random and there are more Democrats out there these days. That was a fact that te right just didn't want to accept so they fought that hard and this led them to ignore most of the data presented to them.
If I really wanted to get snarky I could say the right was well practiced in ignoring facts that contradicted with their pre-conceived points of view, whether global warming, evolution, biological basis of homosexuality or simple statistical sampling methods.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 17, 2013 18:18:20 GMT -5
If I really wanted to get snarky I could say the right was well practiced in ignoring facts that contradicted with their pre-conceived points of view, whether global warming, evolution, biological basis of homosexuality or simple statistical sampling methods. Substitute Medicare. gun control, jobs, taxes and the economy and that's pretty much what Rubio did between sips of water. And that's disappointing, because I truly wish there was a sensible counterpoint to some of the Left agenda. |
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Post by Supertramp78 on Feb 17, 2013 18:52:07 GMT -5
I should add that my take on climate change is not all that popular on the left. I may, unlike the right, at least admit the fact that the climate is in fact changing, I still doubt whether there is anything cost effective that we can do to reverse it.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 17, 2013 21:11:33 GMT -5
To follow that digression, I tend to agree there's little we can do of significance short of population control. And I mean in the whole world. No matter what we do, the third world (is there a second one anymore) is hungry to use and abuse the planet as the first world has done for hundreds of years. There's just so many of use humanoids, that even if we do get religion, it's hard pressed to make a difference.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be responsible. It is far better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. But I'm not expecting much overall difference.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 17, 2013 21:13:45 GMT -5
Back to the article: I find the graphics funny, but very demeaning. The story hurts it's power to objectively state the case with the demeaning jokes.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Feb 17, 2013 21:19:32 GMT -5
Back to the article: I find the graphics funny, but very demeaning. The story hurts it's power to objectively state the case with the demeaning jokes. pretty much |
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 17, 2013 23:46:50 GMT -5
Agreed...
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Post by mccoyblues on Feb 18, 2013 9:14:53 GMT -5
The one thing the left is very good at doing is calling the right wingers names. They love name calling and they especially love calling anyone who disagrees with them stupid.
Say it enough times and people start believing them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 10:22:55 GMT -5
The one thing the left is very good at doing is calling the right wingers names. They love name calling and they especially love calling anyone who disagrees with them stupid. Or alternatively - The one thing the right is very good at doing is calling the left wingers names. They love name calling and they especially love calling anyone who disagrees with them stupid. Take your pick folks. |
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 18, 2013 13:37:12 GMT -5
Indeed, James and McCoy... the name-calling is rife on both sides.
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Post by mccoyblues on Feb 18, 2013 13:43:46 GMT -5
Indeed, James and McCoy... the name-calling is rife on both sides. I suppose it wouldn't be America without playground insults. But I never hear anyone calling Obama stupid the way they called Bush an idiot during his entire term. |
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Post by Supertramp78 on Feb 18, 2013 13:51:27 GMT -5
' But I never hear anyone calling Obama stupid the way they called Bush an idiot during his entire term. '
No, they call him Kenyan, Muslim, Facist, Socialist, Demi-God, Anti-American, Traitor, etc.
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Post by majorminor on Feb 18, 2013 14:57:14 GMT -5
Indeed, James and McCoy... the name-calling is rife on both sides. I suppose it wouldn't be America without playground insults. But I never hear anyone calling Obama stupid the way they called Bush an idiot during his entire term. Bush clearly wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I'd mop the floor with him in Scrabble. |
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Post by billhammond on Feb 18, 2013 15:05:50 GMT -5
I suppose it wouldn't be America without playground insults. But I never hear anyone calling Obama stupid the way they called Bush an idiot during his entire term. Bush clearly wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I'd mop the floor with him in Scrabble. I dunno, there is a pretty good letter count in "subliminable" and "nookyouler." |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 15:29:27 GMT -5
How a guy chooses to usify syntax is disirrelevant to his inatible intelligence.
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