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Post by Supertramp78 on Mar 13, 2013 20:36:56 GMT -5
So you shouldn't have any problems with private sellers following the same rules that the dealers do. Right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 20:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 21:42:42 GMT -5
Even when it hits close to home, it seems like the NRA won't budge on the mental health background issue. C'mon - the son of the dang NRA president David Keene did a ten year stint in prison for blasting out someone's car window in a road rage incident. And he had a history of treatment for mental illness, including being institutionalized for anti-social behavior and the inability to control his often violent impulses.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 14, 2013 5:39:03 GMT -5
Do you ever think how patronising your comments might sound? <patronizing> About as much as you do. The point is that the NRA has a position stating under what terms they would accept the background checks. Y'all have a position demanding background checks. This is either an insurmountable roadblock or a place to start a negotiation depending upon your point of view. As long as your side considers compromise to be the other side agreeing to your terms and nothing less, nothing will be accomplished. One always starts a negotiation asking for more than one needs understanding that they aren't going to get it all. Sorry if that's patronizing but I don't think y'all understand much about compromise. The trick to negotiation is to understand the other side's point of view enough to divine their needs versus their wants and then find a way to satisfy their needs not their wants. Y'all don't negotiate. You dictate. That's not how you win a negotiation. "You can't always get what you want...". |
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Post by Doug on Mar 14, 2013 6:21:09 GMT -5
So you shouldn't have any problems with private sellers following the same rules that the dealers do. Right? Not practical. And I do have a problem with dealers doing the background checks. Any gun law is unconstitutional as it is an infringement. Anything that the government does to make gun ownership more difficult is and infringement. A somewhat valid argument would be sales tax because everything is taxed at the same level. But the extra taxes we pay on guns and ammo above standard sales tax is certainly an infringement. |
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Post by Supertramp78 on Mar 14, 2013 8:30:07 GMT -5
"Well regulated" - the most ignored two words in the Constitution.
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Post by jdd2 on Mar 14, 2013 9:01:47 GMT -5
Constitution-era amendments were drawn up in a context in which slavery was the norm. Militias were seen as necessary to control slaves.
The constitutional crap (types of compromise) from that 200+ year ago era is still with us.
Slavery was the great unsolved question of the constitution, but its tentacles reached into, and determined, how other things would be worded.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 9:47:06 GMT -5
Adj. 1. <patronising> - (used of behavior or attitude) characteristic of those who treat others with condescension
N. American spelling uses 'z'. British and others 's'.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 14, 2013 10:14:37 GMT -5
The point is that the NRA has a position stating under what terms they would accept the background checks. Y'all have a position demanding background checks. This is either an insurmountable roadblock or a place to start a negotiation depending upon your point of view. As long as your side considers compromise to be the other side agreeing to your terms and nothing less, nothing will be accomplished. One always starts a negotiation asking for more than one needs understanding that they aren't going to get it all. Sorry if that's patronizing but I don't think y'all understand much about compromise. I agree about the lack of understanding, but it's not where you think it is. I know that most gun owners, if they shoot someone, will be shooting themselves, family, friends, or committing an illegal act of violence against someone who was no threat, and that only 1 out of 100 will be acting in self defense. I know that countries that do not share our gun culture have drastically lower homicide rates. And I know that I personally would feel safer if guns were not available to the general public at all. The compromise that you're blind to is the realization by "our side" that we do have a gun culture in America and that most gun owners are responsible and never hurt themselves or others. We're not trying to take anybody's rights away, and we're not trying to make the 40%? of gun-owning households be like us or live by our rules. All we're trying to do is to plug the most obvious holes in the system, the ones that are indefensible to all but the NRA leadership (not necessarily the majority of the NRA members), and individuals who think any type of control is a threat to their personal freedom. Asking for a firm line on background checks, semi-auto and auto weapons and limits on magazine capacities is not a lack of compromise, it IS the compromise. If the gun crowd can't compromise on the above, something that looks reasonable from any angle, I'd up the stakes and push for a complete ban on all gun sales nationwide. Maybe at that point "your side" would begin to figure out what compromise is. |
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Post by Doug on Mar 14, 2013 14:23:39 GMT -5
Compromise would be getting rid of only half of the gun laws.
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