Post by ducktrapper on Oct 6, 2006 11:45:46 GMT -5
supertramp78 said:
Outside of air travel, what would or could you do in 2000 that you can't do today?
Well let's see.
Up until the Supreme Court overturned it, I used to be secure in the knowlege that my government wouldn't throw me in jail without charges and without access to legal representation. NOw that is only a danger to my relatives who live overseas.
<I think you protest too much. Is this a slippery slope appeal?
Have you really lost anything but theoretical freedom or do you SINCERELY think this is likely? Unless your relatives are jihadis, since you seem afraid of phone calls.>
I used to be able to make international phone calls without fear that my government was listening or if they were listening that they had a warrant requiring probably cause to do it.
<Phone Al Qaida often do you?>
I used to be able to tell the President or Vice President anything I wanted as long as it wasn't a threat, as long as they were in a public place. Can't do that anymore without getting arrested.
<You haven't convinced me that's true. You think he's not being attacked enough? Can you demonstrate across the street from the White House or not? Again do you think President elect Gore/Clinton/other Dem is going to change that?>
I used to be able to hold my head high and tell people that my country didn't support torture, or secret CIA prisons in foreign countries, or holding people without charges or trials without the defendant being told the evidence against him or even if that evidence (if any) was obtained by torture. I can't do that anymore either.
<Oh please! You did that often did you? That's silly and you know it. Since when is anyone other than Americans, especially enemy combatants, protected by your constitution btw?>
Not that any of this matters to some people, just the moral authority of this Nation to speak in public without averting its eyes.
<Hanging your head and ashamed to be an American. There's about 5 billion people who'd gladly take your place. BTW, How come no one's ashamed to be a Muslim? Sh*t! I guess they'll win after all.>