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Post by Marshall on Mar 6, 2014 14:26:53 GMT -5
Well, you can send them to me.
(If you don't listen to them any more then there's only one rake.)
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Post by Doug on Mar 7, 2014 6:20:37 GMT -5
Doug: I can point you to some breakdowns of production costs for books that will establish the relatively small portion of physical-manufacturing costs as a portion of selling price. Even when you add shipping and inventory-managment overhead, physical-object costs are a small part of the cost of producing a readable text. It's not unlike website design--ask Lonnie about the time, effort, and expertise required to set up something entirely intangible. Yep the big cost is murdering a tree.  If the physical cost are that cheap then the book is over priced to start with. |
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Post by Marshall on Mar 7, 2014 14:15:26 GMT -5
To some extent we still live with the preconceived ideas of 100 years ago; where the worth of an object is tied pretty directly with the material cost. For the pioneers a pot was a thing to be cherished. Diapers were washed and reused. You only had one pair of shoes at a time. and replacing any of them was a big expense.
In our modern world the physical manefistation of an object is just small fraction of the value of it; disposable diapers; paper plates. It's the idea of it that has the most value.
But we have a hard time understanding that. We look at the object and see the object, not the idea. It's just a pot to us. But the reality of that pot is more wrapped up in figuring out what people need, who they are, how to let them know about it, and how to get it to them, than how to make the thing. And if you can hit a home run and make it appealing to lots and lots of people you can make some money. Only then is the soft cost (idea) of the object affordable to the consumer.
Gotta be tougher and tougher for millring and the art fair crowd. The public can't picture the value of the idea of a thing, because it's such a diluted component of the cost of their mass produced everyday onjects.
Have I made any sense?
Ever?
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Post by dradtke on Mar 7, 2014 16:13:01 GMT -5
In our modern world the physical manefistation of an object is just small fraction of the value of it; disposable diapers; paper plates. It's the idea of it that has the most value. Ooh, how Platonic. |
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Post by drlj on Mar 7, 2014 17:17:57 GMT -5
I don't buy mp3s. That is not how I listen to music, which makes me a dinosaur. I like music on a nice stereo system through speakers that move some air. Picture that old Memorex ad with the speakers blowing the guy's hair back except skip the hair and just picture his scalp rippling in the wind.
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Post by billhammond on Mar 7, 2014 17:47:49 GMT -5
I don't buy mp3s. That is not how I listen to music, which makes me a dinosaur. I like music on a nice stereo system through speakers that move some air. Picture that old Memorex ad with the speakers blowing the guy's hair back except skip the hair and just picture his scalp rippling in the wind. So that is a toupee in your avatar photo? |
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Post by drlj on Mar 7, 2014 18:11:46 GMT -5
I don't buy mp3s. That is not how I listen to music, which makes me a dinosaur. I like music on a nice stereo system through speakers that move some air. Picture that old Memorex ad with the speakers blowing the guy's hair back except skip the hair and just picture his scalp rippling in the wind. So that is a toupee in your avatar photo? John gave me that hair for Christmas a few years back. I think he stole it off a department store dummy. Sort of a gift from one dummy to another. I keep it on with Velcro so I can actually go out in moderate winds with little to worry about. I take it off at night so my scalp can breathe because it is a very cheap, Chinese made synthetic which has a weird, rubber-like lining that does not allow anything to pass through. It looks good, though, huh? |
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Post by millring on Mar 7, 2014 18:15:51 GMT -5
Has a tin foil liner too! Multifunctional!
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Post by drlj on Mar 7, 2014 18:17:56 GMT -5
Aliens can no longer read my thoughts and I think I am safe from nuclear blasts as long as they come straight down.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Mar 7, 2014 23:37:11 GMT -5
I don't buy mp3s. That is not how I listen to music, which makes me a dinosaur. I like music on a nice stereo system through speakers that move some air. Picture that old Memorex ad with the speakers blowing the guy's hair back except skip the hair and just picture his scalp rippling in the wind. +1 Mike |
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Post by PaulKay on Mar 8, 2014 13:09:13 GMT -5
I don't buy mp3s. That is not how I listen to music, which makes me a dinosaur. I like music on a nice stereo system through speakers that move some air. Picture that old Memorex ad with the speakers blowing the guy's hair back except skip the hair and just picture his scalp rippling in the wind. You can have the best of both worlds with an iPod and an Apple gizmo that picks up the iPod signal wirelessly and connects to the stereo. I use it with Pandora and mp3 all the time. Stereo speakers moving air doesn't preclude using a crappy sound source. |
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