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Post by Cornflake on Apr 22, 2014 13:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by RickW on Apr 22, 2014 14:01:20 GMT -5
Not at all. And what's funny is the number of folks who chime in about how those economies in Europe and Canada are going to fall apart under the load of social welfare. Yet who is running up the most public debt?
I do believe that one of the main reasons us Canuckistanis are doing better over the last little while is that we had a balanced budget and were in good financial shape when the crisis hit. Our conservative government managed to stick a knife in that, but we didn't crash as hard or far as the USA. It shows now.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 22, 2014 15:35:46 GMT -5
This comports with what I see among the people I know. I love it when you talk lawyer. . . . , or did you mean this:  "After-tax middle-class incomes in Canada — substantially behind in 2000 — now appear to be higher than in the United States."All the more reason to invade the bastards. |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Apr 22, 2014 19:38:53 GMT -5
If we all make our own beer we won't care how we rank or how rank we are.
Mike
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 22, 2014 19:40:23 GMT -5
Plus those folks that make more than our folks have free health care.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Apr 22, 2014 19:45:22 GMT -5
Plus those folks that make more than our folks have free health care. That's because they don't have the money to pay...HEY :< Mike |
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Post by millring on Apr 22, 2014 21:43:06 GMT -5
Plus those folks that make more than our folks have free health care. Free? |
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Post by sekhmet on Apr 23, 2014 7:10:30 GMT -5
We don't have free health care. We pay a bundle for it. Every time I buy anything - goods or services, I pay a whopping 15% tax. A middle class income in Canada is taxed 30%. The wealthiest Canadians enjoy a similar tax break as they do in the USA, which they shouldn't, and the middle class carries most of the tax burden. We have the same stagnant middle class incomes as you guys in the States do. But is medical care free? Nope.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 23, 2014 7:48:11 GMT -5
What's interesting, Katherine, is that it says your middle class has the edge in after-tax income, so it isn't as if you're doing well but the government sucks it all up.
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 23, 2014 8:00:55 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Thanks.
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Post by mnhermit on Apr 23, 2014 8:25:59 GMT -5
Nope, doesn't surprise me.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 23, 2014 8:36:27 GMT -5
We don't have free health care. We pay a bundle for it. Every time I buy anything - goods or services, I pay a whopping 15% tax. A middle class income in Canada is taxed 30%. The wealthiest Canadians enjoy a similar tax break as they do in the USA, which they shouldn't, and the middle class carries most of the tax burden. We have the same stagnant middle class incomes as you guys in the States do. But is medical care free? Nope. I still think we should invade. |
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Post by godotwaits on Apr 23, 2014 17:26:21 GMT -5
I'm not Medicare is all it's cracked up to be. Anybody notice that Medicare don't even cover a PSA test?
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Post by dickt on Apr 23, 2014 17:34:32 GMT -5
Medicare part B does cover a psa once a year at no cost to the patient
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Post by Russell Letson on Apr 23, 2014 17:44:32 GMT -5
Besides, PSAs are not all that reliable. My old doc (who was actually younger) thought they yielded too many false positives and stopped recommending them.
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Post by brucemacneill on Apr 23, 2014 19:46:41 GMT -5
I'm not Medicare is all it's cracked up to be. Anybody notice that Medicare don't even cover a PSA test? It paid for mine last month along with the CT scan and other blood work. I did have about $200 in co-pays to find out that my kidneys, liver, prostate and femoral arteries are in good shape and my PSA is 0.8. I guess that's worth $200. |
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Post by godotwaits on Apr 23, 2014 22:05:38 GMT -5
dickt: I have Part A & B and part D. I passed on the part C cause someone convinced me that this was an acronym for Crompispomp which was shorthand for lower colon research; after which, I further decided, that I rather die the ole fashion way.
Russell: I know, I know. Coffee is good for you, coffee is not good for you. Yada is good for you, but yada is not good at all... yada yada...
the best we can do is hedge our bets. I remember recently reading something about how poisonous apples are for you. And here I've been thinking I'm regulating regularity. I'm not beyond thinking that modern health is one great big crap shoot.
Bruce: you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din. My letters tell me to pay now and argue afterwards. I'd bee happy to pay for your bargain.
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Post by Doug on Apr 24, 2014 6:51:50 GMT -5
Middle class died with the 2 income family.
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Post by sekhmet on Apr 24, 2014 7:21:39 GMT -5
Marshall, any time you want to invade you just go right ahead. I'll leave the light on in the porch for you.  Flake, I glanced at an article yesterday that said that, while Canadians enjoy a very healthy middle-class income ours in free-fall, worse than any country in the developed world. I'm not surprised at that. Elections are coming in 2015. Perhaps we can start to turn that around afterwards. |
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Post by coachdoc on Apr 24, 2014 8:13:28 GMT -5
Besides, PSAs are not all that reliable. My old doc (who was actually younger) thought they yielded too many false positives and stopped recommending them. This is a very important point. All tests have a false positive and false negative rate. If you do a lot of random tests, some may turn up positive when nothing is there. A false positive PSA leads to a prostate biopsy, which has a complication rate, a more than moderate cost, and significant discomfort. Tests should only be ordered when pre test probability tells you it is warranted. Hence, evidence based vs. shopping channel medical decisions. |
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