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Post by Doug on Jul 24, 2014 11:21:23 GMT -5
Short of throwing things at the stage I don't think anything condones the performer being rude.
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Post by millring on Jul 24, 2014 11:29:34 GMT -5
If I had been there to see the concert, I don't think I would have seen LaMontagne as being rude. I paid money for a concert I wasn't getting to hear. He yelled at people making noise. They were escorted out. He came back and I actually got to enjoy the concert.
Not rude. He gave me my money's value back to me.
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Post by billhammond on Jul 24, 2014 11:34:19 GMT -5
If I had been there to see the concert, I don't think I would have seen LaMontagne as being rude. I paid money for a concert I wasn't getting to hear. He yelled at people making noise. They were escorted out. He came back and I actually got to enjoy the concert. Not rude. He gave me my money's value back to me. He was rude with his language, though -- no need for that.
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Post by millring on Jul 24, 2014 11:38:28 GMT -5
If I had been there to see the concert, I don't think I would have seen LaMontagne as being rude. I paid money for a concert I wasn't getting to hear. He yelled at people making noise. They were escorted out. He came back and I actually got to enjoy the concert. Not rude. He gave me my money's value back to me. He was rude with his language, though -- no need for that. Yes, I would rather he hadn't. But the most important line in the whole story was:
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Post by fred sterenberg on Jul 24, 2014 11:51:41 GMT -5
The front row goes to those who show up (really) early, not necessarily the freeloaders (I use that term because I NEVER get free tickets to anything and am bitter). I would be in the performer's corner 100% if he cleverly and gracefully shut the folks up, even if he seriously shamed them. Especially if he seriously shamed them! But the F-bombs and walk off tantrum seems unnecessary. I also think the venue has some responsibility here. This has been a pretty long standing problem there. As far as I know, there has not been much of a push to get people to pipe down and listen.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 24, 2014 12:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by Chesapeake on Jul 24, 2014 12:19:19 GMT -5
Guess they'll be choosing a different song for the first dance.
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Post by Dub on Jul 24, 2014 12:27:49 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the venue but, if people had their own chairs, I'm guessing it's outdoors. Also, people were drinking adult beverages. In that setting, one might expect some members of the audience to be a bit rowdy.
Many people believe that if a performer is upset with an audience it's an indication that the performer has not mastered his or her craft. A skilled and seasoned performer will understand how to alter a show to meet the situation and make the audience happy and responsive. These people paid a lot of money and were excited about the event. They didn't go to berate the artist even if they did expect to tip a few. They came to enjoy the artist.
On edit: if a performer really thinks the audience is lucky to have them there, they are off balance to begin with. The audience may BE lucky but they make it possible for the performer to get paid for performing. The performer is the lucky one.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 24, 2014 13:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by billhammond on Jul 24, 2014 14:06:10 GMT -5
There's this odd little club in Excelsior called the 318 Cafe that has music about four nights a week, and features good people, some rather large acoustic touring names (Jon Vezner has played there, for instance) and notable locals like Lonnie & Co.
There is no real stage and the "audience" is a bunch of tables that seat maybe 60 people in the area adjacent to the performance area. By day, it's coffee and beer and wine and food, fairly high-end as is typical for those upscale Lake Minnetonka communities.
So in late afternoon/early evening there are typically lots of people sitting around eating and drinking and yapping. About an hour or so before the music starts, the servers inform the customers of that, and let them know what the cover charge will be once the music starts. In other words, pay the cover or get outta there.
What often happens is that a table or two of wine-sucking women (sorry, it almost always is) decide they don't wanna go home yet, so they pay the cover and keep drinking and yapping and laffing and invariably they are close to the "stage."
I saw Vezner there one night, and he was appalled at all the loud conversation going on while he performed in this intimate little space. As I recall, he finished one song and just stared at a noisy table for what seemed like forever, daggers coming out of his eyes. They didn't shut up, they just finished up and eventually left.
I hate places like that.
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 24, 2014 14:06:11 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the venue but, if people had their own chairs, I'm guessing it's outdoors. Also, people were drinking adult beverages. In that setting, one might expect some members of the audience to be a bit rowdy. Many people believe that if a performer is upset with an audience it's an indication that the performer has not mastered his or her craft. A skilled and seasoned performer will understand how to alter a show to meet the situation and make the audience happy and responsive. These people paid a lot of money and were excited about the event. They didn't go to berate the artist even if they did expect to tip a few. They came to enjoy the artist. On edit: if a performer really thinks the audience is lucky to have them there, they are off balance to begin with. The audience may BE lucky but they make it possible for the performer to get paid for performing. The performer is the lucky one. Exactly. The performer is in no position to judge what the conversation's about- maybe it involves a call from the babysitter that one of the kids is ill. And if there is enough noise to be disturbing other patrons than the artist should help broker peace. That's class. Loosing an invective laced tirade and stomping off the stage is douche baggery of the highest form.
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Post by millring on Jul 24, 2014 14:37:15 GMT -5
I live for the day when I can sit in the front row and heckle Chatham Street.
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Post by Dub on Jul 24, 2014 14:41:49 GMT -5
I live for the day when I can sit in the front row and heckle Chatham Street. Yeah, I'm hoping for a day like that too... and then NOT heckle, just grin.
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Post by loopysanchez on Jul 24, 2014 15:48:36 GMT -5
The first rule of rude people is they never think they are being rude. What the future groom thought was a whisper was obviously loud enough to be heard by others around them, and the performer. Over the last decade plus, I've observed that people at concerts, movies, etc, either do not know how to, or do not care to whisper. They think talking in a quiet voice is enough of a concession to the fact something else is going on that they can't talk over at full volume. I think the TV analogy is spot on. As TV's get bigger, sharper, and louder, more and more entertainment is taken in from one's sofa, where it's ok to talk over whatever is happening on the screen. Some people just can't flip the switch in their brain that says "okay, new set of rules, we're in public to see something with other people who don't want to hear us talking, so let's shut up for two hours." If you think it's bad now, wait til the next generation comes of age. They're being raised by parents who talk at full volume from the back of a lunchroom during PTA meetings, their children's awards program, etc. (Yes, it's that bad, and my son's at one of the best public schools in our city.) My rule is quite simple for people who talk over what we both paid to see: "There are 22 hours in the day that you and I will not be in the same room watching and listening to this performance. You should've used those hours to talk about whatever you've decided can't wait for the next two."
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Post by kenlarsson on Jul 24, 2014 16:00:51 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of when I went to Wrestlemania and the audience was behaving badly. I tell you, the Undertaker really told that crowd off.......................
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Post by theevan on Jul 24, 2014 16:07:06 GMT -5
Hey Loopy!
This reminds me of a Guy Clark show I attended in New Orleans at the House of Blues some years ago. It must have been a Monday night, "Service Workers Night" in the French Quarter, wherein a number of the bars do a late night happy hour for restaurant workers getting off for the night. The HOB was participating. There was a door separating the venue from the bar so it wasn't a problem, until the manager opened the door and let them all in...during the quietest, solemnest moment of Guy's show...when Guy was doing the daddy's knife song. In short order we couldn't hear him at all. Guy pleaded with them to hold it down to no avail and walked off in frustration. He might have even dropped an F bomb.
I was mad as hell. We saw him on the sidewalk afterward. He was philosophic about the whole thing.
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 24, 2014 17:11:17 GMT -5
I live for the day when I can sit in the front row and heckle Chatham Street. We know all the right venues for that. Let me know when you're coming and we'll reserve your seat.
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Post by Chesapeake on Jul 24, 2014 17:32:00 GMT -5
Christal did a pretty good job dealing with a table-full of loud talkers when I saw them last weekend. After finishing one of her songs, she started talking to them. I can't remember what she said, it sounded like friendly banter. But I think they got the idea. They talked through the next song or two, but more quietly, and then got up and left.
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 24, 2014 17:45:46 GMT -5
Christal did a pretty good job dealing with a table-full of loud talkers when I saw them last weekend. After finishing one of her songs, she started talking to them. I can't remember what she said, it sounded like friendly banter. But I think they got the idea. They talked through the next song or two, but more quietly, and then got up and left. When you're playing wineries often there's not much of a choice. They'll seat the drunk bus or the bridal shower right in front of you and you deal with it. Hopefully you sound good enough to draw their attention away from their glass and once you've engaged them, it gets easier. But sometimes nobody gives a shit and you're just playing for the check. We've been at it long enough that we can be selective and we don't play a lot of drunk bus stops anymore (Loudoun county is full of them). The Valley is still the nicest area to visit. Too far for the NoVA children. In fact we were talking with the owners when you were out there, Don. The lack of drunk bus maneuverability is why they won't widen their drive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 20:22:44 GMT -5
In the Army, we call this, "showing your ass." I've done it. It sucks afterwards. It's never a good idea. Ray should have known better.
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