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Post by RickW on Aug 29, 2014 10:23:34 GMT -5
One other thing that strikes me is that you're both using the compressor to boost gain. So, are you using the limiter to flatten everything out at the end, Lonnie?
There are a few other interesting effects also, but I already have a flanger/ phase shifter/chorus, and I don't know what much else would be of any use. There is a noise gate that comes with amplitude, which seems to be pretty decent.
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Post by aquaduct on Aug 29, 2014 11:10:51 GMT -5
One other thing that strikes me is that you're both using the compressor to boost gain. So, are you using the limiter to flatten everything out at the end, Lonnie? There are a few other interesting effects also, but I already have a flanger/ phase shifter/chorus, and I don't know what much else would be of any use. There is a noise gate that comes with amplitude, which seems to be pretty decent. I've never actually used a compressor for anything. I have one because it comes in the multi-effects unit but it never gets turned on. My volume is controlled in the effects loop. Back when I got the rig I had a rack mount DeltaLab delay followed by a volume pedal in the effects loop. The design of the Mesa makes distortion in the cascading gain stages of the preamp. The power amp isn't real crucial to the tone so volume is adjusted by the signal going in to the power amp. With the current set up in performance the same thing happens with a boost button that just turns up the signal 4dB. The volume pedal serves to adjust the whole rig volume or do volume swells. Usually it doesn't move once I get the volume for the room unless something changes. The Mesa amp overdrive is very buttery and the 335 run wide open driving it makes everything very consistent. Don't really need anything to tame it. And with the little set up and the more raw and sparse Americana phase that my wife is in, it also really doesn't need anything other than the overdrive and delay. The only effects I really use are delays and reverb. Choruses and other pitch shifting things just seem to give me tuning headaches. They're all in the multi unit and occasionally I bring them out to play, but rarely. Tremelos can be cool and I use that sometimes. But other than that it's overdrive (either amp or pedal), delay, and reverb (either amp or pedal). And if pressed for time, just the overdrive (the pedal runs on a 9volt- no wall warts) and amp reverb.
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Post by j on Aug 29, 2014 16:38:32 GMT -5
Even though I don't use a compressor myself (though I've thought about getting one for some time), I've come across several sources suggesting that the use of compression AFTER OD/Distortion can be viable.
Here's Robert Keeley's (effect builder) take on the subject:
"I like them [compressors] after distortion pedals in many cases if the compressor is clean and transparent enough. Compression after distortion has two effects that I really like. First, the noise floor is lower because the noise from a compressor isn't being amplified and distorted by the overdrive pedal. Second, there appears to be more sustain. There is one draw back that some people notice and that is a darker, warmer tone. Some folks might prefer a more conventional, brighter tone."
A mild compression setting AFTER your OD will in some way mimic the natural compression of a good tube amp. On the other hand, compressing your signal BEFORE hitting the OD can result in a "bigger" sound with more gain (because you're most likely hitting the OD pedal harder.
I would not place the compressor after modulation or time-based effects, however. A clean boost (no "breakup" added) can have its place at the very end of a chain, but honestly if all impedances are correctly matched and all pedals get along with one another I don't really find it necessary.
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Post by RickW on Aug 29, 2014 17:22:01 GMT -5
Suffice to say, I have more playing to do.
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Post by j on Aug 29, 2014 18:23:58 GMT -5
Well, especially with digital models there's really nothing that keeps you from trying things out (i.e. you're very unlikely to blow anything up). Just play around with stuff and see what sounds good to you
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Post by dickt on Aug 29, 2014 18:52:28 GMT -5
My Dynacomp is second on my pedal board after my Barber Tone Pump and before my looper, delay and reverb pedals. It is set at. 3 o'clock and. 9 o'clock and always on which is useful for a tele into a small blackface amp
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Post by Lonnie on Aug 29, 2014 21:35:02 GMT -5
I miss my old Dynacomp. Best stomp box ever made.
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Post by RickW on Aug 30, 2014 0:44:32 GMT -5
Grabbed a limiter, also. It fits in nicely at the end of all that. It certainly is fun, and cheap. I ended up with two bass amps to go with the standard amplitude bass amp as well. Model of a 59 bassman sounds really nice with the RIpper and it's Dimarzio pre-bass pickup. Really punchy. I love the fender overdrive when combined with the compressor.
It's kind of addictive, really. Some of the stuff doesn't sound good. Some of it sounds insane. But that's the way pedal always were, and the digital ones are awfully cheap in comparison.
The strat sounds incredible, both clean on the bridge and middle single coils, and screaming on the humbucker in the popped position. I have just about removed my eardrums by pulling the switch on that thing without turning down the headphone volume.
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