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Post by RickW on Oct 23, 2014 14:38:28 GMT -5
Looks and sounds pretty nice.
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Post by Marshall on Oct 23, 2014 14:45:48 GMT -5
Nice
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Post by theevan on Oct 23, 2014 16:10:18 GMT -5
Buy if for me. Please?
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Post by coachdoc on Oct 23, 2014 16:21:13 GMT -5
I bid $1999.99!
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Post by Doug on Oct 23, 2014 16:23:33 GMT -5
I bid $9.95 it's just an old guitar can't be as good as a NEW Esteban.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 18:20:28 GMT -5
Since the auction is on me birthday you guys should all get together and buy it for me.
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Post by david on Oct 23, 2014 19:04:30 GMT -5
I doubt that there are many classical guitars that sound better. It is somehow comforting to think something built in 1888 is not displaced by a product made with technological advances.
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Post by xyrn on Oct 23, 2014 22:46:37 GMT -5
I may be interested... but tell me, is it Zagerized?
'Cause, that's a must-have dealbreaker for me, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 8:53:50 GMT -5
It was put away in the early 1900s and not touched. The glue most certainly would have been hide glue and even in perfect storage conditions is susceptible to bacterial decay. The French Polish finish would have been shellac or maybe egg white varnish. Shellac would have been fairly durable in storage but egg white varnish not as much. I doubt they just pulled this guitar out of storage after 100 years and started playing it, it would have needed at least some work.
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Post by RickW on Oct 24, 2014 9:58:13 GMT -5
You'd think there would have been some shifting in the wood through humidity and temp changes, too. Unless it was unstrung, would not string tension alone cause changes, and possibly require a neck reset?
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Post by j on Oct 24, 2014 11:05:21 GMT -5
nice museum piece if you can get it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 11:19:42 GMT -5
You'd think there would have been some shifting in the wood through humidity and temp changes, too. Unless it was unstrung, would not string tension alone cause changes, and possibly require a neck reset? Yes some things would have to of changed at least a bit over time. Although the woods would have been top quality for the day and very well seasoned. It would have been strung with gut strings, which would probably loosen all by themselves with time. Young Giacomo is correct, it's a great museum piece. But if it has been restored then it would be a good guitar for chamber music. It is definitely not a concert guitar any more. |
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Post by j on Oct 24, 2014 12:21:49 GMT -5
guitars are (and definetely were) not built to last a very long time and retain projection and volume. I've played a Torres—it's magical, but part of the magic is its idiosyncrasy.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Oct 24, 2014 21:51:57 GMT -5
I don't know much, but that guitar sounds great to me.
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:58:41 GMT -5
guitars are (and definetely were) not built to last a very long time and retain projection and volume. I've played a Torres—it's magical, but part of the magic is its idiosyncrasy. The aging process we prize in steel string guitars works against classical guitars. |
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Post by coachdoc on Oct 24, 2014 22:04:26 GMT -5
Did my $1999 win?
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Oct 25, 2014 7:58:57 GMT -5
guitars are (and definetely were) not built to last a very long time and retain projection and volume. I've played a Torres—it's magical, but part of the magic is its idiosyncrasy. The aging process we prize in steel string guitars works against classical guitars. Why is that, Marty? Mike |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 8:31:56 GMT -5
J said "not built to last a very long time and retain projection and volume." Without the microphones I doubt that Torres would project much at all.
The mellowing process takes away those attributes that make a fine concert classical, or Flamenco guitar. After a few years most concert guitars become a chamber or ensemble guitar. Flamenco guitars usually see a rough life as they tend to have the crap beat out of them, not abuse, it's the style of playing. They are also built lighter than most classical's so life expectancy is rather short.
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Post by j on Oct 25, 2014 17:23:27 GMT -5
To make a much more complicated story short, lightly-braced flat-tops such as classical guitars are built to fail, eventually. The soundhole is a black hole waiting to swallow the entire top, given the chance. Besides, I don't think Torres was building with future generations in mind.
In general, Torres guitars have tremendous bass and sweet, silky trebles. A very "vocal" quality to the top strings with nary a trace of the usual thinness or pinginess you find on other instruments. It's VERY hard to judge the recorded sound of the auction specimen (recorded in what looks like a cathedral, and performing extremely conservative and not particularly "demanding" repertoire from a dynamic or articulation standpoint). I'm sure it sounds fine but it's definitely not meant to be used on a stage for both historical and practical reasons.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Oct 26, 2014 8:24:28 GMT -5
Well, I hope Willie gets it to replace "Trigger".  Mike |
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