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Post by millring on Dec 18, 2014 19:23:01 GMT -5
Do you remember a book called Megatrends from 1982? One of Naisbitt's major trends was what he called the Latinization of America. He told us then that even if we lined our southern border with troops we would be unable to shoot people fast enough to prevent this. At least that's something like I remember him saying. It is a fait accompli in Warsaw. Our adult population is less than 20% Latin American. Our high school approaches 40% and our elementary approaches 75%.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Dec 18, 2014 19:45:58 GMT -5
Only Norway should have borders. To keep the world out or Norwegians in?
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Dec 18, 2014 19:56:49 GMT -5
Just a curiosity -- In what year was the last non-Hispanic roofer born?
(Five years ago almost every house in my neighborhood had the roof replaced due to hail damage. I don't think a shingle was laid by a non-Hispanic. Don't ask my point, because I don't know.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 20:01:53 GMT -5
Do you remember a book called Megatrends from 1982? One of Naisbitt's major trends was what he called the Latinization of America. He told us then that even if we lined our southern border with troops we would be unable to shoot people fast enough to prevent this. At least that's something like I remember him saying. It is a fait accompli in Warsaw. Our adult population is less than 20% Latin American. Our high school approaches 40% and our elementary approaches 75%. Are those the school racial demographic figures for Warsaw, Indiana?
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Post by Doug on Dec 18, 2014 20:10:59 GMT -5
BTW I want to put anyone who knowingly hires illegals to be covered under the aiding a criminal, and charged in criminal court.
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Post by millring on Dec 18, 2014 21:01:04 GMT -5
It is a fait accompli in Warsaw. Our adult population is less than 20% Latin American. Our high school approaches 40% and our elementary approaches 75%. Are those the school racial demographic figures for Warsaw, Indiana? I'll see if I can find actual figures. I found some from 2009 saying that the immigrant population in the schools had doubled in the previous five years, but I'm not seeing any up to date charts. I'm going on what the transportation dept was telling me while I was driving for the schools. I was surprised when I first started driving because, not having any kids, I didn't have much exposure to the schools and therefore extremely underestimated the percentage of immigrant population. So I was surprised that my bus route exceeded the numbers and that it wasn't at the extreme end of the numbers. Other routes were still mostly white, bringing the percentage back down. We have 7 elementary schools in our district. Three of them rebuilt in the last ten years and are already busting at the seams again from the growth. For a town our size we have a significant number of Asian immigrants (engineers)drawn because of the high tech industry of orthopedics (it could be said that though we're a town of just over 10K, we're the orthopedic capital of the world -- Zimmer, DePuy, Biomet, Othy, and a half dozen other companies have either their headquarters of a large presence in town)
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Post by millring on Dec 18, 2014 21:18:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's three of the seven elementary schools.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 21:34:12 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Dec 18, 2014 21:47:49 GMT -5
.. One of Naisbitt's major trends was what he called the Latinization of America. He told us then that even if we lined our southern border with troops we would be unable to shoot people fast enough to prevent this. At least that's something like I remember him saying ... . To me it seems that resisting the Latinization of America would be something we would rationally want to do. Latin America is a mess...a corrupt dysfunctional mess. Why shrug and accept Latinization as an inevitability? Mexico was blessed with every advantage America and Canada were blessed with. Tremendous ocean resources, lots of oil, fertile farmland and a superior climate for food production, yet it is an abject mess and getting messier. Why is Mexico such a mess? I don't know, but it might have something to do with Mexicans. I don't know why we, as a country, would act in such a way that we place limits on the number of Canadians who can come here but accept that the free flow of Mexicans into the country is something we can do nothing about.
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Post by epaul on Dec 18, 2014 22:03:09 GMT -5
Just a curiosity -- In what year was the last non-Hispanic roofer born? (Five years ago almost every house in my neighborhood had the roof replaced due to hail damage. I don't think a shingle was laid by a non-Hispanic. Don't ask my point, because I don't know.) Any assumption that Mexicans are the only people left willing to roof is false. Newfolden actually has three roofing operations, and two of my classmates began roofing out of high school and are both still at it (though on the supervisor end now, both roofed up on the roof well into their mid-fifties). Every so often, they placed bids on jobs in the cities, and it was a tough go. Competing against minority-owned firms (and their quota points) on Fed jobs and against outfits that would employ a few illegals on homeowner jobs was not something they could succeed at. If a roofing outfit can pay peanuts for wages and skip out on workers comp and S.S. for a portion of their workforce, they have the bidding advantage. Cornering a portion of a job market does not necessarily mean you have the only workers that will do that job. It can mean that you have workers who do the job for less money, sometimes illegally so.
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Post by Village Idiot on Dec 18, 2014 22:51:01 GMT -5
Just a curiosity -- In what year was the last non-Hispanic roofer born? (Five years ago almost every house in my neighborhood had the roof replaced due to hail damage. I don't think a shingle was laid by a non-Hispanic. Don't ask my point, because I don't know.) Here, the Amish replace our roofs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:27:25 GMT -5
IMO there is nothing innately rubbish about Mexicans.
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Post by epaul on Dec 19, 2014 0:40:27 GMT -5
Spend some time in Mexico. Spend some time in Canada. I don't know or care what is innate and what isn't. Not my pay grade. I just know one is a mess and the other isn't. Value judgement? OK, I'll bite. Yes. I greatly prefer Canada. My values. Mexico doesn't work. Never has. It is a mess (and an increasingly dangerous mess). Canada is one of the best run countries in the world. By my values.
(and every so often, I tell my kids to consider trying to move up there. Legally, of course.
As for immigrants, you can pick ten kids from Mexico and ten from China, at random, and drop them into any school in the country, and by the end of the year, the ten kids from China will rank in the top 10% (and likely have a lock on the top three, unless there are some Norwegians present) while the ten from Mexico will likely be in the bottom 20% (unless the school is overwhelmingly black). Why? I don't know, but that's what is and it is silly to tip toe around it and pretend it isn't. We should be letting every Asian into this country we possibly can. We are idiots not to. But no, we are loading up on Somalis instead.
And, yes, I am being a polemic. Look it up.
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Post by Marshall on Dec 19, 2014 1:20:07 GMT -5
The Chinese that get in this country are the children of wealthy parents. They have already had the best of their world's education and are coming here, legally, to learn to rule the world. A very large percentage of Mexicans who come here come are poor and have little or no hope and opportunity in their home land. And, thusly, they have little education and privilege. They are way behind the eight-ball already. I don't think it's a matter of ethnicity, as much as it's a matter of socioeconomic status of the family.
And of course the Chinese are stronger because they have to swim across the Pacific Ocean instead of that puny Rio Grande River.
None of the above speaks to the issue of how easily (? They might not agree) so many indigent illegals get into this country. Or why this should be allowed to continue.
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 19, 2014 1:52:11 GMT -5
I remember reading once (who knows if it's true) that there are more gifted children in china than there are children in the U.S.
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 19, 2014 2:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Dec 19, 2014 6:11:37 GMT -5
Curiously, it left out Leesburg and Jefferson Elementary schools. Leesburg is the school I drove for and Jefferson is the other one that draws from the trailer parks. Whispering Pines is the one on my route. I would drive by three stops and my elementary route was almost entirely full. My bus was built for 66 passengers and I had 72 students on my route. School isn't like it was in my youth -- the reason I could usually get way with a 66 passenger bus on a route with 72 is due to the instability of the student's home situation. But the Whispering Pines pick up was almost entirely Hispanic. Then I'd turn the corner and pick up 8 whites and then finish off with a baby sitter who kept 7 Hispanic children, then a house where two Hispanic families pooled their resources to live together with their two children -- their other six children live in California. There was a transit --88 passenger-- bus that also picked up at Whispering Pines, and then a special needs bus drove into the park to pick up the rest. Jefferson draws from a huge trailer park that spreads along the railroad tracks behind the K-Mart. Jefferson doesn't have any more room. It first pulled classroom trailers onto its small lot. Then it rebuilt. It's full again. The only elementary school they mention -- from which they draw their statistic, then, is Harrison. Harrison could easily, by itself, skew the percentage they're claiming. It draws from Green Acres trailer park. The elementary bus route to Green Acres requires three buses stopping at one stop each to fill. Then another bus bats clean-up and goes into the park and picks up the special needs kids.
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