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Post by Shannon on Jan 29, 2015 11:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Jan 29, 2015 11:37:41 GMT -5
Had to investigate. Not familiar with either.
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Post by Lonnie on Jan 29, 2015 11:50:46 GMT -5
That is refreshing. I remember back in the 60's, I lived in a house with the rest of the guys in the band. I had a turntable in my bedroom, and I had just purchased Jefferson Airplane's "After Bathing at Baxter's." I fell asleep that night with the album on... the next day I got up, inspired to write a song... finished it up, played it for the guys... my bass player went over to the turntable and played the JA album... I had basically written "Young Girl Sunday Blues" with different words.
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Post by PaulKay on Jan 29, 2015 15:13:34 GMT -5
The way I see this is that it is a perfect example of all that is wrong with copyright laws. A snippet of copied melody does not a copyright violation make.
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Post by RickW on Jan 29, 2015 15:46:27 GMT -5
I guess that's a matter of interpretation. George Harrison would agree with you.
It is nice to see a superstar who is not a complete dick about stuff like this.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 29, 2015 16:30:43 GMT -5
I'm with Paul on this one.
Its funny how different fields have different perspectives on this.
The world of graphics/design (and I dare say architecture, but I'll leave that one to Marshall) is all about chasing trends and shameless copying.
So is music, really. But the aesthetic of what constitutes allowable "trend following" and forbidden "stealing" is very different. But in any case, the amount of "copying" in this example is far less than the amount of copying that goes on in graphic design every day. And in that context no one objects.
And we think we can make laws about this stuff?
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 29, 2015 21:38:19 GMT -5
I may not have been a very good songwriter, but I was very prolific. This stuff happens in complete good faith. Lonnie's experience is not atypical.
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Post by frazer on Jan 29, 2015 22:20:36 GMT -5
Several years ago, I saw some footage of Mr Petty consoling a girl who had accidentally bumped his car. He's a gentleman.
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Post by Village Idiot on Jan 29, 2015 22:36:50 GMT -5
I seem to remember Stephen Ambrose being accused of plagiarism some years ago.
I remember him saying something along the lines of keeping memories of what one has read and original ideas separated becomes very difficult when one reads and writes a lot, and that what some considered plagiarism wasn't intentional on his part. Lonnie's experience is a good example of that.
I have never heard of Sam Smith, but I'd tend to believe what he did wasn't at all intentional, and I applaud Petty's reaction.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 30, 2015 8:42:57 GMT -5
Nice quote from Petty:
"The word lawsuit was never even said and was never my intention. And no more was to be said about it," Petty continued. "How it got out to the press is beyond Sam or myself. Sam did the right thing and I have thought no more about this. A musical accident no more no less. In these times we live in this is hardly news. I wish Sam all the best for his ongoing career. Peace and love to all."
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Post by dradtke on Jan 30, 2015 9:07:34 GMT -5
Far cry from the music company that bought the copyright for the Kookaburra song from the writer's heirs for the sole purpose of suing Men at Work.
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Post by PaulKay on Jan 30, 2015 13:47:48 GMT -5
Of the very few instrumental pieces I wrote in my life, I wrote a tune that had a section that sounded very much like a Jorma Kaukonen segment from his days with Jefferson Airplane. It was probably all of 4 measures. I put the music on the internet and YouTube many years ago and got some extremely nasty email (Not Jorma or anyone from Airpline) accusing me of copyright infringement and hoping I get sued. I deleted the email and never replied. But it was that ridiculous accusation that got me thinking how absurd copyright laws really are.
See if you can find the segment...hint...the first occurence is about 1 minute into the song.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 15:01:54 GMT -5
I don't listen to that much music anyway, but when I'm in a writing mood, I stop listening to music entirely out of the fear that something will slip through my subconscious and make its way into a song.
To date, nobody has accused me of plagiarism, but I guess to do that, people would first have to listen to my music. That's been the hurdle so far.
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Post by millring on Jan 30, 2015 15:27:50 GMT -5
I got a response worse that "Hey, man, you plagiarized that!". I was playing an original for my brother and sister and they both said some passage in it reminded them of an ABBA song. I almost quit music altogether.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 30, 2015 15:44:43 GMT -5
A lesser man would have quit, John. You should be feeling strong over that.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 30, 2015 16:09:34 GMT -5
I don't listen to that much music anyway, but when I'm in a writing mood, I stop listening to music entirely out of the fear that something will slip through my unconscious and make its way into a song. To date, nobody has accused me of plagiarism, but I guess to do that, people would first have to listen to my music. That's been the hurdle so far. Quite often while I'm working on something, part of it will feel familiar, and I'll have to stop and think about where I've heard something familiar before. In almost every case I'm copying myself. I have to fight to keep from writing the same song over and over again.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 16:14:29 GMT -5
I don't listen to that much music anyway, but when I'm in a writing mood, I stop listening to music entirely out of the fear that something will slip through my unconscious and make its way into a song. To date, nobody has accused me of plagiarism, but I guess to do that, people would first have to listen to my music. That's been the hurdle so far. Quite often while I'm working on something, part of it will feel familiar, and I'll have to stop and think about where I've heard something familiar before. In almost every case I'm copying myself. I have to fight to keep from writing the same song over and over again. I've always felt that as songwriters, we're all just trying to rewrite "Pancho and Lefty" and "Cold Missouri Waters" anyway.... |
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