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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 7:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Feb 25, 2015 9:17:15 GMT -5
Hmmmm.
I support "giving" illegals drivers licenses. It's a safety imperative. I'm surprised that California is just now extending that possibility to work permit holders (does that mean "green card" or some lesser legal status?).
But no way non-citizens should have the vote.
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 9:53:17 GMT -5
But no way non-citizens should have the vote. I doubt the actual connection between the two. My brother-in-law made some kind of comment that if a driver's license is all that's required to register to vote, what's to stop the 5 million illegal immigrants who were just granted amnesty by executive order .... and the subsequent demand that they be given driver's licenses ... from voting? I don't know the answer to that, other than presumably the same license branch that issues the license will somehow know that they can't issue a voter registration. I'm not sure how they'd know that. I don't think a birth certificate is required for a license, but I'm supposing someone has figured this out. But I will be more surprised if in the next ten years we don't allow tax-paying illegal and legal immigrants to vote than I would be that we will allow them to vote. That's how democracy works. The majority get to decide whether to increase itself or not. |
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 25, 2015 10:05:45 GMT -5
I should research it, but I'm lazy. Maybe there's a designation on a non-citizen drivers license... similar to a corrective lenses stipulation. If there isn't, there should be. It would be easy to do, and would certainly solve the problem.
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 10:13:55 GMT -5
I just don't think it matters that much. I think the reasons for the amnesty and open borders is two-fold -- cheap labor and voters. Even if the motor-voter law isn't the means, within a few short years -- as soon as the dust settles on the latest amnesty, and at a lull in the election cycle -- the issue will be raised: "What kind of people ARE we anyway that we would let people work and pay taxes without giving them a say in our democracy?!" And we'll give in to the logic so that we aren't called jingoistic racists.
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Post by dickt on Feb 25, 2015 10:59:19 GMT -5
But no way non-citizens should have the vote. I doubt the actual connection between the two. My brother-in-law made some kind of comment that if a driver's license is all that's required to register to vote, what's to stop the 5 million illegal immigrants who were just granted amnesty by executive order .... and the subsequent demand that they be given driver's licenses ... from voting? I don't know the answer to that, other than presumably the same license branch that issues the license will somehow know that they can't issue a voter registration. I'm not sure how they'd know that. I don't think a birth certificate is required for a license, but I'm supposing someone has figured this out.But I will be more surprised if in the next ten years we don't allow tax-paying illegal and legal immigrants to vote than I would be that we will allow them to vote. That's how democracy works. The majority get to decide whether to increase itself or not. Yes ever since the 9/11 terrorists mostly got Virginia drivers licenses most states require proof of legal residence. Like Indiana The State of Indiana issues new driver’s licenses and permits at BMV license branches. All applicants for new driver’s licenses or permits must meet Indiana SecureID requirements. These standards comply with federal security laws. The applicant must present documents verifying their identity, Social Security number, United States lawful status and Indiana residency. |
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 11:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 25, 2015 11:05:24 GMT -5
Why do we make them move here before allowing them to vote? Seems like a highly unfair imposition.
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Post by Dub on Feb 25, 2015 11:15:50 GMT -5
... United States lawful status and Indiana residency. |
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 11:17:28 GMT -5
... United States lawful status and Indiana residency. That is SO unfair! We don't even demand that of our president!!! |
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 25, 2015 11:40:24 GMT -5
We all realize that US-Immigration.com is not an official government site, right? That they're selling application forms that are available free from actual government agencies?
I will pass over without comment the proposition that immigration reform is aimed at generating votes from non-citizens.
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Post by epaul on Feb 25, 2015 11:44:08 GMT -5
We are using drivers licenses and social security cards as identification cards, but neither serve that purpose well (you may not drive and tossing out your social security number for every willy nilly identification issue can create major problems).
When identity matters, it would be best to have something suited for that purpose. A national identity card, similar, but smaller than, a passport would do the trick.
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 25, 2015 11:47:49 GMT -5
We all realize that US-Immigration.com is not an official government site, right? That they're selling application forms that are available free from actual government agencies? I will pass over without comment the proposition that immigration reform is aimed at generating votes from non-citizens. Actually, what we're all missing is that Obama is really an Indian, possibly Sioux, and the fundamental change he's doing is to return the acreage once known as the U.S.A to an ungoverned open space that the tribes can retake. No borders makes that easy. Once that's done the Sioux can overcome the other tribes that aren't in on the job and have the place all to themselves including Canada and Mexico. Then it's drill baby drill and they'll take over the world. Geronimo!!! |
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 11:53:26 GMT -5
We all realize that US-Immigration.com is not an official government site, right? That they're selling application forms that are available free from actual government agencies? The ONLY point I was making by linking to the first site that came up when I googled "immigration social security" was that immigrants -- legal and illegal, can obtain social security numbers. Almost all do. In other words, the ONLY thing I was illustrating with the link was exactly what you made clear in the latter part of your second sentence. But thanks for sparing us immigrants the wasted money we would have spent had we followed my link and bought new social security cards.  |
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Post by dickt on Feb 25, 2015 12:06:12 GMT -5
No! They need a birth certificate. All of us who have kids who got licenses in the last fifteen years could tell you that |
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 12:08:20 GMT -5
You think the BMVs would start to get suspicious if all the birth certificates for new driver's licenses were Hawaiian?
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Post by dickt on Feb 25, 2015 12:16:49 GMT -5
So did somebody else write the hed for your post and therefor gave a wrong impression about the topic?
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Post by millring on Feb 25, 2015 12:31:16 GMT -5
So did somebody else write the hed for your post and therefor gave a wrong impression about the topic?  |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Feb 25, 2015 12:40:21 GMT -5
We all realize that US-Immigration.com is not an official government site, right? That they're selling application forms that are available free from actual government agencies? I will pass over without comment the proposition that immigration reform is aimed at generating votes from non-citizens. Actually, what we're all missing is that Obama is really an Indian, possibly Sioux, and the fundamental change he's doing is to return the acreage once known as the U.S.A to an ungoverned open space that the tribes can retake. No borders makes that easy. Once that's done the Sioux can overcome the other tribes that aren't in on the job and have the place all to themselves including Canada and Mexico. Then it's drill baby drill and they'll take over the world. Geronimo!!! Obama doesn't look Siouxish. |
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Post by dickt on Feb 25, 2015 12:47:57 GMT -5
Actually, what we're all missing is that Obama is really an Indian, possibly Sioux, and the fundamental change he's doing is to return the acreage once known as the U.S.A to an ungoverned open space that the tribes can retake. No borders makes that easy. Once that's done the Sioux can overcome the other tribes that aren't in on the job and have the place all to themselves including Canada and Mexico. Then it's drill baby drill and they'll take over the world. Geronimo!!! Obama doesn't look Siouxish. |
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