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Post by Doug on Jul 6, 2015 19:10:44 GMT -5
I guess, in hindsight, it's been worth going to three wars over 26 years to not have to agonize over this crap. Don't agonize just pay your share. John's going to break a leg and the government needs to pay for it. Either that or shoot him.
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Post by millring on Jul 6, 2015 19:39:46 GMT -5
Either that or shoot him. Pretty ironic, huh? You're paying to keep me healthy enough to be a leech offa you guys for even longer.
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Post by Doug on Jul 6, 2015 20:18:27 GMT -5
Either that or shoot him. Pretty ironic, huh? You're paying to keep me healthy enough to be a leech offa you guys for even longer. Aren't you glad it's not a democracy where people could vote for the second choice.
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Post by TKennedy on Jul 6, 2015 21:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by Village Idiot on Jul 6, 2015 21:39:04 GMT -5
That would be better if the guy were wearing bunny ears, Terry.
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Post by RickW on Jul 6, 2015 23:46:16 GMT -5
It would be an interesting comparison to do a side by side cost compare between Canadian Healthcare, and US Healthcare. Because, for some strange reason, our government is not going bankrupt. It either is a gigantic cluster fuck, or some folks are screwing the entire goddamned country for all the cash they can grab before it gets figured out.
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Post by jdd2 on Jul 7, 2015 2:26:15 GMT -5
Costs for a given treatment are tightly controlled/proscribed here. An appendectomy is an appendectomy, wherever you might go to get it. And even as an uninsured walk-in (tourist), you get the proscribed cost, not an inflated version of that.
OTOH, some OTC stuff is quite expensive. It's often cheaper to go to a doc and get something prescribed than to mess with doing it yourself.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 7, 2015 9:04:51 GMT -5
Heck, I'm saving $1,000 or more a month with the ACA. You guys are paying my entire premium. Break a leg, or something, so we get some value for our investment. (This thread needed some levity)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:30:08 GMT -5
It would be an interesting comparison to do a side by side cost compare between Canadian Healthcare, and US Healthcare. Because, for some strange reason, our government is not going bankrupt. It either is a gigantic cluster fuck, or some folks are screwing the entire goddamned country for all the cash they can grab before it gets figured out. Costs? I don't understand. I'm told Canadian health care is free.
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Post by RickW on Jul 7, 2015 17:29:47 GMT -5
It would be an interesting comparison to do a side by side cost compare between Canadian Healthcare, and US Healthcare. Because, for some strange reason, our government is not going bankrupt. It either is a gigantic cluster fuck, or some folks are screwing the entire goddamned country for all the cash they can grab before it gets figured out. Costs? I don't understand. I'm told Canadian health care is free. To me, for the most part, direct out of pocket is free. Do I pay higher taxes? Why yes, I do. And damn, I get excellent health care. Seems to me to be an excellent trade off. You can argue that American health care is "better", but the overall cost here seems to be considerably lower, if that article is to be believed, and it is not simply propaganda.
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Post by Doug on Jul 7, 2015 18:41:47 GMT -5
Costs? I don't understand. I'm told Canadian health care is free. To me, for the most part, direct out of pocket is free. Do I pay higher taxes? Why yes, I do. And damn, I get excellent health care. Seems to me to be an excellent trade off. You can argue that American health care is "better", but the overall cost here seems to be considerably lower, if that article is to be believed, and it is not simply propaganda. I think that was tongue in cheek, Rick. We need a TiC smilie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 15:00:15 GMT -5
Teasing a little although I've talked to Canadians who apparently think it is free. It seems to me that ACA or whatever it's called is the worst possible compromise between what we had and how Canada does it. I intend to avoid the healthcare system entirely and live forever. Do I still have to pay?
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 8, 2015 15:34:38 GMT -5
Teasing a little although I've talked to Canadians who apparently think it is free. It seems to me that ACA or whatever it's called is the worst possible compromise between what we had and how Canada does it. I intend to avoid the healthcare system entirely and live forever. Do I still have to pay? Depends on who wins in '16.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 15:38:57 GMT -5
Teasing a little although I've talked to Canadians who apparently think it is free. It seems to me that ACA or whatever it's called is the worst possible compromise between what we had and how Canada does it. I intend to avoid the healthcare system entirely and live forever. Do I still have to pay? Depends on who wins in '16. The fix is in. Mrs. Clinton will be crowned. Who actually doubts it?
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 8, 2015 16:59:17 GMT -5
Depends on who wins in '16. The fix is in. Mrs. Clinton will be crowned. Who actually doubts it? In that case, yes you have to pay. Start saving your food stamps. They'll replace the dollar as the reserve currency in the world.
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Post by jdd2 on Jul 8, 2015 17:07:24 GMT -5
I've read several things about the election & ACA/obamacare. Most of those point out what a mess it would become if the ACA were somehow revoked or overturned (and that candidates on the Rep. side realize that).
My guess is candidates will advocate for supposed "deep changes" to it, or "overhaul", but nobody will suggest tossing it out.
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Post by RickW on Jul 8, 2015 20:57:28 GMT -5
I think at some point it'll collapse, and it'll be the single payer system. It's just a mess. But it'll be a mess for a while, as no one is going to be able to agree on what to do.
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Post by Doug on Jul 8, 2015 21:01:37 GMT -5
I think at some point it'll collapse, and it'll be the single payer system. It's just a mess. But it'll be a mess for a while, as no one is going to be able to agree on what to do. I think you are right that at some point it will collapse, China will call in the $X trillion dollars they have been lending us to keep it afloat and we will be the new Greece. ADA will collapse and the US government will collapse with it.
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Post by RickW on Jul 8, 2015 21:03:53 GMT -5
Not quite what I meant. I meant that at some point, folks will realize that there is a much more efficient way to do it, and go to single payer. Because what's going on now is way too expensive and convoluted.
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Post by Doug on Jul 8, 2015 21:16:15 GMT -5
Not quite what I meant. I meant that at some point, folks will realize that there is a much more efficient way to do it, and go to single payer. Because what's going on now is way too expensive and convoluted. Not even close once people have a government give away they won't give it up. Greece. And any system where the individual doesn't pay for his health care is doomed to failure, depending on how well it was set up in the first place. UK's system is failing, either Canada did a better job of setting theirs up or haven't been at it for as long. It's taken about 70 yrs for the UK's system to start falling apart so it's not like it's going to happen tomorrow. We will be able to borrow trillions from China for years to prop it up. When you are 17 trillion in debt that you can't pay bankruptcy is the only game in town, or mass inflation by printing money.
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