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Post by billhammond on Jul 7, 2015 10:58:08 GMT -5
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Post by Doug on Jul 7, 2015 11:07:07 GMT -5
I don't understand 68 stories. Seems if you build higher than the fire trucks can reach that you are begging disaster.
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Post by drlj on Jul 7, 2015 12:54:24 GMT -5
In Chicago they are building a skyscraper inspired by Kim Kardashian. It is going to be called the Bulginbutt Building and will be quite wide about midway up, level out and then get quite shelf-like a few stories before the top. They were going to call it Kanye Towers but realized they would have to leave the top floor empty.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 7, 2015 13:06:25 GMT -5
"Song not for sale
I don't want to make any money off dis
Oh well
Reap what you sow"I just wonder if it's going to have buttons on it.  (The video is cool. I'm not sure what she's trying to say. But I like the way she says it ! ! ! ) [ The building looks gimmicky to me ]
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Post by Marshall on Jul 7, 2015 13:12:25 GMT -5
Something similar has been done in Chicago  "The Wave" |
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Post by billhammond on Jul 7, 2015 13:35:01 GMT -5
That looks like a worn-out humidifier filter.
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Post by RickW on Jul 7, 2015 13:41:17 GMT -5
If you're going to base a building on something, you could pick a worse model.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 7, 2015 13:43:16 GMT -5
Yeah, like Hammond's worn out humidifier filter.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 7, 2015 13:49:35 GMT -5
That looks like a worn-out humidifier filter. There are actually problems with the building, because the concrete fins (floors) project out and act like radiator fins. In winter, the inside floors near the outside wall get so cold they have ice on them. |
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Post by Doug on Jul 7, 2015 15:28:19 GMT -5
That looks like a worn-out humidifier filter. There are actually problems with the building, because the concrete fins (floors) project out and act like radiator fins. In winter, the inside floors near the outside wall get so cold they have ice on them. I don't think Melbourne has that cold of weather. I think the weather will be somewhere between SF and LA on the coast. |
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Post by billhammond on Jul 7, 2015 15:33:22 GMT -5
There are actually problems with the building, because the concrete fins (floors) project out and act like radiator fins. In winter, the inside floors near the outside wall get so cold they have ice on them. I don't think Melbourne has that cold of weather. I think the weather will be somewhere between SF and LA on the coast. You're not paying attention, Not Doctor Doug. Marshall was talking about the CHICAGO building whose image he posted. |
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Post by Doug on Jul 7, 2015 16:43:19 GMT -5
I don't think Melbourne has that cold of weather. I think the weather will be somewhere between SF and LA on the coast. You're not paying attention, Not Doctor Doug. Marshall was talking about the CHICAGO building whose image he posted. Damn thread drift will get us old farts every time.  |
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Post by theevan on Jul 7, 2015 20:21:31 GMT -5
I hate 'em all, especially that Chicago thing. A pox on Gehry and his legion of wannabes.
And while I'm at it, sunshades can SUCK EGGS.
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Post by RickW on Jul 7, 2015 22:29:53 GMT -5
Heh. I was just thinking about you and those buildings, Evan. Bet no one thinks of maintenance costs like that when they build.
I live in a townhouse project that was built on a hillside. Slopes, retaining walls, and three story buildings. Costs a fortune to garden, paint and clean. I imagine the window cleaning bill for those towers is a tad stiff.
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Post by billhammond on Jul 8, 2015 7:04:23 GMT -5
I hate 'em all, especially that Chicago thing. A pox on Gehry and his legion of wannabes. And while I'm at it, sunshades can SUCK EGGS. So, you're saying that this sort of structure makes window washing difficult? Why ever would that be?  |
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Post by Dub on Jul 8, 2015 7:36:33 GMT -5
I think some architects go to art school but bypass structural engineering school. Supposedly Frank Lloyd Wright was one of those. At least based on the way he designed the “Falling Rafters” house.
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Post by Greg B on Jul 8, 2015 9:00:16 GMT -5
Maybe they should build it in Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Village Idiot on Jul 8, 2015 21:47:54 GMT -5
I think some architects go to art school but bypass structural engineering school. Supposedly Frank Lloyd Wright was one of those. At least based on the way he designed the “Falling Rafters” house. Or Cedar Rock, in Iowa. The design of the chimney filled the house with smoke whenever a fire was lit. |
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Post by Marshall on Jul 8, 2015 23:26:09 GMT -5
Wright was actually trained as a civil engineer. There were no architecture schools back in the day. Some of his engineering projects were ahead of its time. For the Johnson wax building the local building officials were not going to let him build the building as designed. They said the mushroom columns would not hold the required load. So he had one lone column and capital poured. And then loaded it to about 5 times the load it would be required to carry. And he stood under it when they removed the shoring. The column stood. The building got built. It still stands proudly.
His problems (as you have noted) were with cantilevers. The members designed have enough strength to carry the load. But little or nothing was known about creep and sag in structures of the day. Cantilevers, like Wright liked to build, had not been done before. So no one had experience with the long term sag that sets in. The structures are still strong enough to do their work. But they look a little tired after 50 to 100 years.
I bet you are a little saggy after that many years.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 8, 2015 23:34:27 GMT -5
That being said, most architects I know (and I know a LOT) really don't have a good concept of structural strength. That does bother me. I came up in a combined curriculum of design and structures. Only 10% of U of I grads are in that. And U of I is one of the few schools in the country that offer such a combined course study. I only got into it because I transferred into architecture from an engineering curriculum, so I had credits already. But I have to say the engineering side of the built environment has served me well in this career. And I have developed a deeper sense of connectedness between the physical and the aesthetic world than most of my compatriots. I have a tendency to chastise them for that too. They should understand (or at least care) about that more.
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