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Post by Doug on Oct 4, 2015 7:09:26 GMT -5
Went to the gun show yesterday. Cheap modern guns - overpriced by about 20% Older collectible and simi collectible guns overpriced by 200-300% - both long guns and hand guns Modern mid to low end upper gun - prices down by 20-30% - both long guns and hand guns Modern upper end guns - prices holding - weren't many of those Lots of women *Note for Marshall - Still have to go through background check to buy from a dealer I bought a tactical baton. No reason just wanted one and the price was right. Also bought a ribbon bar to go with my dress blues hanging in my daughters closet because I gave mine away to some girl (don't even remember who) in the early 70s. Bought no guns.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 9:14:46 GMT -5
I've sold guns to dealers at a show but never bought one. Some of the pistols I bought at auction as non working I repaired and sold to dealers, usually for twice what I paid for them.
I have a retractable baton Doug, fits in my tote bag.
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Post by Lonnie on Oct 4, 2015 9:15:10 GMT -5
I think we need licenses and background checks to buy guitars. Maybe we could have prevented Ted Nugent from happening.
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Post by Marshall on Oct 4, 2015 9:19:03 GMT -5
I have a retractable baton Doug, fits in my tote bag. They've got pills for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 9:28:07 GMT -5
I have a retractable baton Doug, fits in my tote bag. They've got pills for that. But you have to smuggle them in from Canada. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 9:28:55 GMT -5
I think we need licenses and background checks to buy guitars. Maybe we could have prevented Ted Nugent from happening. And Esteban! |
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Post by Doug on Oct 4, 2015 9:33:46 GMT -5
I've sold guns to dealers at a show but never bought one. Some of the pistols I bought at auction as non working I repaired and sold to dealers, usually for twice what I paid for them. I have a retractable baton Doug, fits in my tote bag. Well move to AZ put up a sign that sez "Repairs - Guns and Guitars"  |
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Post by theevan on Oct 4, 2015 9:55:49 GMT -5
I think we need licenses and background checks to buy guitars. Maybe we could have prevented Ted Nugent from happening. And Esteban! Already solved that problem...they gave him an Esteban guitar. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 13:58:53 GMT -5
I've sold guns to dealers at a show but never bought one. Some of the pistols I bought at auction as non working I repaired and sold to dealers, usually for twice what I paid for them. I have a retractable baton Doug, fits in my tote bag. Well move to AZ put up a sign that sez "Repairs - Guns and Guitars" If I could afford to I just might. |
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Post by RickW on Oct 4, 2015 14:22:06 GMT -5
Well move to AZ put up a sign that sez "Repairs - Guns and Guitars - or Whatever the #$(* Else I Feel Like Doing Today" If I could afford to I just might. There, slight amendment that I think makes the intention more plain.  |
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Post by Doug on Oct 5, 2015 13:54:12 GMT -5
Lying sack of ........ No such thing, never has been. Exactly the same rules at gun show as when you walk in a gun store.
WHITE HOUSE: OBAMA PREPARING MORE EXECUTIVE ACTIONS ON GUN CONTROL
by CHARLIE SPIERING5 Oct 2015
The White House confirmed that President Obama was preparing a series of executive actions on gun control to match his recent passion on the issue after the latest mass shooting in Oregon.
“It’s a high priority and will continue to be until we start to see more progress on this issue in this town,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters today at the press briefing.
Earnest said he would “quibble” with anyone who criticized the president for not voicing any specific gun control proposals during his press conference, asserting that the White House was working behind the scenes for more executive actions on guns.
“I can tell you that they’re not stumped, they’re continuing to review the law that’s on the books and continuing to consult with legal authorities but also others who may have ideas about what steps that can be taken to keep guns out of the hands of criminals,” Earnest said.
He admitted, however that he had no details for what the White House was working on, but asserted that the process was a “scrub” that was “ongoing.”
Earnest welcomed Hillary Clinton’s own gun control proposals announced this morning, but admitted that he hadn’t seen the full details of the proposal.
He also pointedly criticized the “gun show loophole” for allowing criminals and people with mental problems to buy weapons, blaming organizations like the National Rifle Association for blocking action in Congress on the issue.
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Post by billhammond on Oct 5, 2015 14:01:44 GMT -5
So, the following is not true?
The Gun Control Act of 1968 provides that persons "engaged in the business" of dealing in firearms must be licensed. Although Congress did not originally define the term "engaged in the business," it did so in 1986 as part of the McClure-Volkmer Act (also known as the "Firearms Owners' Protection Act"). That Act defined the term "engaged in the business," as applied to a firearms dealer, as "a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms."
Significantly, however, the term was defined to exclude a person who "makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms."
Consequently, unlicensed sellers may sell firearms without conducting background checks or documenting the transaction in any way. In addition, because federal law does not require private sellers to inspect a buyer's driver's license or any other identification, there is no obligation for such sellers to confirm that a buyer is of legal age to purchase a firearm. As a result, convicted felons, minors and other prohibited purchasers can easily buy guns from unlicensed sellers.
According to a 1999 report issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the current definition of "engaged in the business" often frustrates the prosecution of "unlicensed dealers masquerading as collectors or hobbyists but who are really trafficking firearms to felons or other prohibited persons." A June 2000 ATF report found that unlicensed sellers were involved in about a fifth of the trafficking investigations and associated with nearly 23,000 diverted guns. A national survey of firearm ownership conducted in 1994 determined that 60 percent of all firearm sales in the U.S. involved federally licensed dealers, while the remaining 40 percent of firearms were acquired from unlicensed sellers. [Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, accessed 4/11/13]
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Post by Doug on Oct 5, 2015 14:45:17 GMT -5
It's not true that it has anything to go with any "gun show loop hole". Any one who has a table at a gun show selling guns is a licensed dealer. It is true that I can sell Marty a gun with out a background check. When I was a C&R dealer (Curio and Relic) I could only sell to another dealer or C&R dealer with out a background check.
I would guess the sales of cars, dealers vs private ratio is about the same. I don't know about you but all but one of the used cars I have bought were private sales with no dealer involved.
*C&R licensed to buy and sell guns over 50 yrs old. Keeping the same records as a regular dealer. Records I turned in to BATF when I didn't renew my licence, and I'm banned from selling anything I acquired as a C&R for 2 years after turning in my licence. But it's been over 10 yrs now so giving a gun to Mary at last years IJ was legal.
But any law that makes it more difficult to do something is and infringement.
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Post by billhammond on Oct 5, 2015 14:54:15 GMT -5
It's not true that it has anything to go with any "gun show loop hole". Any one who has a table at a gun show selling guns is a licensed dealer. It is true that I can sell Marty a gun with out a background check. When I was a C&R dealer (Curio and Relic) I could only sell to another dealer or C&R dealer with out a background check. I would guess the sales of cars, dealers vs private ratio is about the same. I don't know about you but all but one of the used cars I have bought were private sales with no dealer involved. *C&R licensed to buy and sell guns over 50 yrs old. Keeping the same records as a regular dealer. Records I turned in to BATF when I didn't renew my licence, and I'm banned from selling anything I acquired as a C&R for 2 years after turning in my licence. But it's been over 10 yrs now so giving a gun to Mary at last years IJ was legal. But any law that makes it more difficult to do something is and infringement. Hmmm, how about sales like this? New York City Undercover Investigation: Most Private Sellers Agreed To Sell Firearm To Someone Who Said They Couldn't Pass A Background Check. In an investigation of 10 websites in 14 states that allow unlicensed sellers to list firearms for sale, undercover investigators working for the City of New York found that 77 out of 125 sellers agreed to go forward with a firearm sale after the purchaser said that he could not pass a background check. [City of New York, December 2011] |
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Post by Doug on Oct 5, 2015 15:03:40 GMT -5
It's not true that it has anything to go with any "gun show loop hole". Any one who has a table at a gun show selling guns is a licensed dealer. It is true that I can sell Marty a gun with out a background check. When I was a C&R dealer (Curio and Relic) I could only sell to another dealer or C&R dealer with out a background check. I would guess the sales of cars, dealers vs private ratio is about the same. I don't know about you but all but one of the used cars I have bought were private sales with no dealer involved. *C&R licensed to buy and sell guns over 50 yrs old. Keeping the same records as a regular dealer. Records I turned in to BATF when I didn't renew my licence, and I'm banned from selling anything I acquired as a C&R for 2 years after turning in my licence. But it's been over 10 yrs now so giving a gun to Mary at last years IJ was legal. But any law that makes it more difficult to do something is and infringement. Hmmm, how about sales like this? New York City Undercover Investigation: Most Private Sellers Agreed To Sell Firearm To Someone Who Said They Couldn't Pass A Background Check. In an investigation of 10 websites in 14 states that allow unlicensed sellers to list firearms for sale, undercover investigators working for the City of New York found that 77 out of 125 sellers agreed to go forward with a firearm sale after the purchaser said that he could not pass a background check. [City of New York, December 2011] You mean like Craigs list sells cars? When you sell a used car to you check to see if the buyer has a drivers licence? The bottom line is that anyone who votes for or enforces any gun law is a criminal and is violating the highest law of the land. A crime much more serious than murder or even treason, because the Constitution is the "highest law of the land". Treason being a sub law in the Constitution and murder not even mentioned. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 15:04:13 GMT -5
If you sell a gun privately I suggest you check state law on such sales and with a witness present ask the buyer if he is on parole or has ever committed a felony. He/she will say NO but your ass is covered. That said, one should NEVER sell a firearm to a known felon and if you do you should be held accountable for what they do with it. That is not the law now, but just wait.
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Post by billhammond on Oct 5, 2015 15:10:21 GMT -5
Wow, Doug.
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Post by millring on Oct 5, 2015 15:16:03 GMT -5
I'm still trying to grasp the concept of a retractable baton. How would that help with twirling?
On the other hand, I'm totally hip to the degree of confident manhood around here to admit the hobby.
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Post by dradtke on Oct 5, 2015 16:03:59 GMT -5
Any one who has a table at a gun show selling guns is a licensed dealer. I spent twenty years in the convention and trade show business. Granted, most of our clients that went to trade shows were large manufacturers like ATK, but a lot of individuals set up tables at those same shows. I'm not aware of any requirement that someone be a licensed dealer to buy space at a show. You just need to cough up the booth fee. |
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Post by factorychef on Oct 5, 2015 16:25:27 GMT -5
I've bought guns from people that needed money or whatever. They had to show me a valid carry permit and I in turn gave they my valid permit number and showed them my permit. Without that, no sale.
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