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Post by AlanC on Aug 20, 2017 12:03:41 GMT -5
Nevermind. I wanted to post a video of a black conservative explaining my position on race and racism extremely well. But failing that decided to let it go. Nothing to see here folks... move along.
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Post by chicagobob on Aug 20, 2017 13:41:21 GMT -5
That "move along" talk offends me.
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Post by Dub on Aug 20, 2017 14:28:32 GMT -5
Nevermind. I wanted to post a video of a black conservative explaining my position on race and racism extremely well. But failing that decided to let it go. Nothing to see here folks... move along. I caught this thread just as you were deleting your post. My browser shows the original post but when I hit the quote button it came up as the replacement text. I was kind of disappointed as I was curious about the reference you evidently tried to link. Yours is one opinion I usually want to know and understand even if I don't completely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 14:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by AlanC on Aug 20, 2017 16:18:02 GMT -5
No it was just two guys talking quietly. A black conservative and a white liberal. The conservative made a lot of sense and I briefly thought about sharing it but when I couldn't get it to link I thought about how these threads can go all to shit and decided to let it pass. Doesn't matter- what will be will be.
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Post by millring on Aug 21, 2017 7:35:30 GMT -5
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Post by AlanC on Aug 21, 2017 11:14:17 GMT -5
Yes, John. What I saw was an excerpt from this interview. The part I saw didn't start till almost 24 minutes in. I don't agree with him on everything- especially the meddling we do in the Middle East. But as to his opinions on race, racism, and identity politics, I wish voices like his were heard more often. The voice of black America today is mostly Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and BHO. I wish he were more well known and heard by more Americans. But his POV doesn't fit "The Narrative" so he is relegated to Facebook, talk shows that no one ever heard of and suspect web sites such as this one.
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Post by millring on Aug 21, 2017 11:40:50 GMT -5
What's interesting to me about the images shared from Boston over the weekend -- where thousands turned out against white supremacists who showed up for a rally... .... that this is exactly what the voices I've been listening to (including that one inside my head ) have been saying all along: That the national media/press's continuing, never-ceasing, screaming-without-ever-taking-a-breath narrative for almost a year now -- that Trump was elected by a bunch of racists... ...cannot have been true. There aren't enough racists of ANY stripe to elect a president (unless, of course, you accept the circular logic of the national press and Democratic Party that you voted for the Republican because you are a racist -- their syllogism being: 90% of African-Americans vote for Democrat -- therefore, if you voted Republican you are a racist.). It's been a useful narrative to shut down true debate, but if this demonstration in Boston shows us anything, it shows us that the story of race we've been obsessed with for the past week just might not be such a huge story after all. The racists who got all the attention this past week planned a rally for over six months and were only able to get an attendance of a couple of hundred like-minded bigots. In a democracy that's not a very fearsome coalition.
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Post by RickW on Aug 21, 2017 14:44:08 GMT -5
What's interesting to me about the images shared from Boston over the weekend -- where thousands turned out against white supremacists who showed up for a rally... .... that this is exactly what the voices I've been listening to (including that one inside my head ) have been saying all along: That the national media/press's continuing, never-ceasing, screaming-without-ever-taking-a-breath narrative for almost a year now -- that Trump was elected by a bunch of racists... ...cannot have been true. There aren't enough racists of ANY stripe to elect a president (unless, of course, you accept the circular logic of the national press and Democratic Party that you voted for the Republican because you are a racist -- their syllogism being: 90% of African-Americans vote for Democrat -- therefore, if you voted Republican you are a racist.). It's been a useful narrative to shut down true debate, but if this demonstration in Boston shows us anything, it shows us that the story of race we've been obsessed with for the past week just might not be such a huge story after all. The racists who got all the attention this past week planned a rally for over six months and were only able to get an attendance of a couple of hundred like-minded bigots. In a democracy that's not a very fearsome coalition. I can't say that you're wrong, as I have no way of counting, either. But considering that a number of the marchers in Charlottesville were immediately outed and mauled on social media, would tend to make most folks stay at home. I guess the question also arises about "how racist" folks are. Maybe they're not much for setting up different washrooms and restaurants anymore. But maybe they just didn't like the thought that we had a black president very much, for no other reason than he's black. And then you get into the question of how many folks who actually feel that way, would actually admit to feeling that way, but would be easily swayed over the line. What to my mind is happening is not that we are discovering that half the USA is racist, because that seems foolish, (at least I hope so). It's that we are truly seeing the result of having a boor who made racist, misogynist comments run for president and win. Those actually feel that way, or tended that way, feel themselves empowered to step out and make some noise of their own. And anyone who is repulsed at the thought has started screaming, as they can look at fairly recent history for proof of what can happen if those kinds of folks get in charge; and their concern is that one of those folks is POTUS.
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Post by Doug on Aug 21, 2017 14:47:50 GMT -5
Don't think you can have it both ways, Rick. Either 1/2 the folks are racist or Trump is not racist because 1/2 the folks agree with him.
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Post by millring on Aug 21, 2017 15:09:26 GMT -5
It has been my experience to observe that once people believe that Americans --in meaningful enough numbers to sway elections and public policy -- didn't like Obama because he was black and voted for Trump because he's a racist, there's just no room for discussion. It's a faith-based belief.
Republicans are racists.
I don't think so, but what's your proof?
Well, they didn't vote for Obama.
But Obama was the Democratic candidate, right?
Yes, but he is African-American.
But he's a Democrat, right?
Yes. And 95% of all African-Americans who vote, vote Democratic.
I understand that.
So, if you weren't a racist you would have voted for Obama like African-Americans did.
But, race wasn't a big issue with me. I was voting for economic policy.
See? Issues of race weren't a big issue with you. White privilege heard from. Thanks for making my point for me.
So if I had voted for Trump?
Did he run as a Democrat?
No.
Is he African-American?
No.
Racist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 7:44:48 GMT -5
The whole point of the exercise is to equate anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support all aspects of progressivism as a Nazi.
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Post by millring on Aug 22, 2017 8:01:32 GMT -5
The whole point of the exercise is to equate anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support all aspects of progressivism as a Nazi. Though, ironically "Nazi" is by definition socialist -- the progressive goal.
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Post by james on Aug 22, 2017 8:24:37 GMT -5
*rolls eyes*
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Aug 22, 2017 8:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 8:39:19 GMT -5
The whole point of the exercise is to equate anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support all aspects of progressivism as a Nazi. Though, ironically "Nazi" is by definition socialist -- the progressive goal. I never suggested that it was consistent with logic or reality. It's a ploy and a power grab.
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Post by AlanC on Aug 22, 2017 8:46:51 GMT -5
It's started. I am about to get on a plane to go to Orlando. When I get there, I'm going to go to Taco Tuesday with Baby Dottir and drink several Margaritas with her and her friends ubering back to the apt tonight. I would consider it a personal favor from you guys if you would let this thread die while I am away. Thank you for your consideration.
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Post by dradtke on Aug 22, 2017 8:58:03 GMT -5
The whole point of the exercise is to equate anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support all aspects of progressivism as a Nazi. Though, ironically "Nazi" is by definition socialist -- the progressive goal. Exactly the same as the German Democratic Republic and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are the definition of democracy, the conservative goal.
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Post by millring on Aug 22, 2017 9:27:57 GMT -5
Socialists don't want democracy?
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Post by dradtke on Aug 22, 2017 9:30:07 GMT -5
Socialists don't want democracy? Socialism isn't democratic?
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