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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 6, 2018 7:53:45 GMT -5
Not being a big fan of the Washington establishment and not being even a small fan of liberalism, I'm starting to like Trump. The entire global economy is improving. Now, if we can convince a few liberals that they're better off actually working for a living, socialism will die, as it should. First though they'll have to realize that everything they "Know", is wrong.
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Post by jdd2 on Jan 6, 2018 8:24:25 GMT -5
... The entire global economy is improving. ... Trump did that, too? I thought he was after that MAGA thing rather than an obama-esque multilateral win-win for everyone.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 6, 2018 8:34:27 GMT -5
... The entire global economy is improving. ... Trump did that, too? I thought he was after that MAGA thing rather than an obama-esque multilateral win-win for everyone. I was just going on what I made this week and I'm diversified U.S. heavy but with maybe 25% international. They all made about the same percentage so it appears to be a global recovery. think it's just positive business sentiment and yes, Trump did that. We'll see if it continues.
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Post by Doug on Jan 6, 2018 8:39:29 GMT -5
I don't think presidents can change the economy in a good way, but they can hurt an economy. But perception is reality. If people perceive that things are getting better they get better.
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Post by Tamarack on Jan 6, 2018 9:35:50 GMT -5
I don't plan to read the book. It wouldn't make me detest Trump and his cronies any more than I already do. Seems more like a hatchet job than a journalistic piece or an instrument of public discourse. Every president since Nixon, if not before, has had at least one book written about them that could be considered a hatchet job.
In my opinion, Trump is no different that many people in the business world. I have known about or worked with many egotistical, narcissistic assholes at the top levels or mid-levels of large corporations, and including owners of small businesses. What they have in common is a cult of personality with sycophants around them. Some sycophants truly believe in the boss and his/her mission, some latch on only to advance their own ambitions. The difference with Trump is that this egotistical, narcissistic asshole got elected President of the United States. (For the record, my opinion of Trump was formed long before he decided to run for President)
(my accomplishment for the day is I have learned how to correctly spell "sycophant" and "narcissistic")
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 6, 2018 9:35:52 GMT -5
Trump. Says he’s “like really smart” so that’s it then.
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Post by Doug on Jan 6, 2018 9:39:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure real smart is a good thing for a president. Carter, Wilson
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Post by millring on Jan 6, 2018 9:45:16 GMT -5
When I was taking education classes, acknowledging that intelligence comes in all kinds of extremely diverse packages was all the rage. It worked out well when it was envisioned as an argument to allow the right kinds of people a seat at the table. But when it allows the wrong kind of person a seat at the table, academics quickly backtrack on the "different kinds of intelligence" thing.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 6, 2018 9:45:18 GMT -5
Trump. Says he’s “like really smart” so that’s it then. Also a "very stable genius," not a bad band name.
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Post by millring on Jan 6, 2018 9:47:59 GMT -5
Oh, I've seen fire and I've seen fury I've seen sunny days when my vision wasn't blurry
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Post by jdd2 on Jan 6, 2018 10:02:29 GMT -5
When I was taking education classes, acknowledging that intelligence comes in all kinds of extremely diverse packages was all the rage. It worked out well when it was envisioned as an argument to allow the right kinds of people a seat at the table. But when it allows the wrong kind of person a seat at the table, academics quickly backtrack on the "different kinds of intelligence" thing. blame, blame, blame, eh?
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Post by millring on Jan 6, 2018 10:08:36 GMT -5
Blame what?
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Post by Fingerplucked on Jan 6, 2018 10:53:41 GMT -5
I don't plan to read the book. It wouldn't make me detest Trump and his cronies any more than I already do. Seems more like a hatchet job than a journalistic piece or an instrument of public discourse. Every president since Nixon, if not before, has had at least one book written about them that could be considered a hatchet job. In my opinion, Trump is no different that many people in the business world. I have known about or worked with many egotistical, narcissistic assholes at the top levels or mid-levels of large corporations, and including owners of small businesses. What they have in common is a cult of personality with sycophants around them. Some sycophants truly believe in the boss and his/her mission, some latch on only to advance their own ambitions. The difference with Trump is that this egotistical, narcissistic asshole got elected President of the United States. (For the record, my opinion of Trump was formed long before he decided to run for President) (my accomplishment for the day is I have learned how to correctly spell "sycophant" and "narcissistic") The book hasn’t changed my opinion of Trump either. It does have new information, some of which is not necessarily new, but just new to me. What makes the book worthwhile for me is that it’s all put together as a 336 page cohesive narrative. It makes no attempt at objectivity, though it claims to be true, seems to be true, and at least for me, makes a lot of sense as an insight to Trumpism. It’s a one sided story, but a good one. However, I don’t think I would have gotten the book if Trump hadn’t tried to block its release. I agree with your comparison of Trump to business leaders. I’ve worked for some of those guys. There are too many of them in the world to get worked up about any particular individual. The main thing that sets Trump apart from the rest, ignoring fraud and sexual assault, is that people - a lot of people - actually voted to put the man in the oval office. Trump is not to blame for that, the individual voters are. And, like Nikki Haley, I’ve been taking names.
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 6, 2018 11:10:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure real smart is a good thing for a president. Carter, Wilson You might have a point there. Maybe when you are dealing with the assholes of the world it helps to be one. The constitution seem to be doing a pretty good job of holding its own so far and many of the dire predictions of the early days of his presidency have not materialized. I could not despise Trump more as a human being, he is a total sack of shit but sites like CNN and MSNBC have latched on to this sketchy book like rabid dogs. I think they have to understand that if their goal to get him out of office is realized, the alternative could be far worse. Mike Pence would be a much more effective force in implementing the Republican agenda. Additionally, bashing Trump is making a ton of money for the liberal media. It just wouldn’t be the same with Mike. He has no entertainment value.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 6, 2018 11:30:16 GMT -5
Trump did that, too? I thought he was after that MAGA thing rather than an obama-esque multilateral win-win for everyone. I was just going on what I made this week and I'm diversified U.S. heavy but with maybe 25% international. They all made about the same percentage so it appears to be a global recovery. think it's just positive business sentiment and yes, Trump did that. We'll see if it continues. The goes along with my overall theory, that they (politicians) are puppets dancing on a string. In a large part, the economy is going to do what the economy is going to do. They bob and they bluster in the breeze, but the breeze goes where it will. Like a surfer taking credit for the ocean waves.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 6, 2018 11:33:07 GMT -5
For comparison, this brief mention appeared on page 19 of today's paper. It reads right to left, ends midway in the second row. More of a blurb--not a story or an article: Makes more sense to me left to right.
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Post by epaul on Jan 6, 2018 12:12:44 GMT -5
Chesapeake nailed it when he said, regardless of all else, the book's claims are plausible.
Assuming the worst about the author and his intentions, if he had, for instance, written a hit piece on Pope Francis claiming that he was an idiot who liked to pole dance in front of his Bishops and went on Big Game Safaris wearing a disguise so that he could blast endangered animals, no one would believe it (or very, very few would). The claims wouldn't be plausible.
But when Trump is described as a brain dead dolt who doesn't read or listen but instead likes to tweet from the toilet and tell the same story over and over and over again as if dementia were knock, knock, knocking on his noggin, no one (or very, very, very few) finds these claims difficult to believe. They are plausible.
The primary argument offered against this book's portrayal of Trump is not that the claims are outlandish or improbable, it is that they don't matter...
(and in the case of some iconoclasts, that these infantile, brain dead qualities are good things for a president to have...tear it all down Trumpie)
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Post by Doug on Jan 6, 2018 12:29:18 GMT -5
OK I believe the bit about the Pope.
Trump was elected by the Democrats. Running Hillary elected Trump and with the commie as second string it was a guaranteed Trump win.
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Post by dradtke on Jan 6, 2018 13:20:59 GMT -5
How can anyone, like, argue with that?
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Post by Chesapeake on Jan 6, 2018 14:09:00 GMT -5
How can anyone, like, argue with that? Whew. For a minute there I thought he was about to collapse into a quivering heap of self-doubt.
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