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Post by coachdoc on Nov 18, 2019 9:32:45 GMT -5
Tempest. Teapot. Nothing to see here. Move on. What's for lunch?
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Nov 18, 2019 9:47:57 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Nov 18, 2019 9:52:33 GMT -5
It is taking a calculated risk that automakers can find a market for electric vehicles of the size Americans have come to prefer. (Almost half the nation’s auto sales now are S.U.V.s.) And it aims to persuade buyers to pay extra for battery power in an age of cheap gasoline.
“We’ve pushed all our chips to the middle of the table,” the company’s chairman, William C. Ford Jr., said in an interview. “I hope this will show we are now deadly serious about electrification.”Interesting
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Nov 18, 2019 10:10:03 GMT -5
It is taking a calculated risk that automakers can find a market for electric vehicles of the size Americans have come to prefer. (Almost half the nation’s auto sales now are S.U.V.s.) And it aims to persuade buyers to pay extra for battery power in an age of cheap gasoline.
“We’ve pushed all our chips to the middle of the table,” the company’s chairman, William C. Ford Jr., said in an interview. “I hope this will show we are now deadly serious about electrification.”Interesting It is interesting. Up to now, EVs have been a niche market, with Tesla’s for the rich, and Nissans for the early adaptors. But with GM, Ford, Audi/Volks/Porsche, Volvo, Hyundai, etc getting on board, the visibility and advertising over the next few years could mark a significant shift in the future. I know m interested, and having Katie’s boyfriend as a real time reporter on the EV experience will influence future purchasing decisions, We are having a charging station built in the garage of the new house. Mike
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Post by epaul on Nov 18, 2019 10:22:42 GMT -5
All else aside, that sentence is an absurd. As is the entire article. Ford is taking a huge gamble by introducing a large electric vehicle that Americans have come to prefer, an E-Mustang?
If the American market is large SUV's, how does introducing a battery powered Mustang address that market? If previously Ford had only produced niche electrics, how does introducing yet another niche electric represent a bold gamble?
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 18, 2019 10:26:15 GMT -5
All else aside, that sentence is an absurd. As is the entire article. Ford is taking a huge gamble by introducing a large electric vehicle that Americans have come to prefer, an E-Mustang? If the American market is large SUV's, how does introducing a battery powered Mustang address that market? If previously Ford had only produced niche electrics, how does introducing yet another niche electric represent a bold gamble? As noted in another thread, it doesn't. ...and some minor mention of self-driving cars. Not to start an argument or anything, but we have discussed this kind of stuff before. Of course being in the business for a few decades it's about what I've predicted. I remember Jeff saying at some point that the projected length of the life of a technology is mostly related to how long the technology has already existed. Looks to be continued proof of that axiom. A Decade of EVs
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 18, 2019 10:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by fauxmaha on Nov 18, 2019 11:01:23 GMT -5
Here's Venice: Here's Piazza San Marco, in all it's historic and architectural charm: But here's what that particular island looks like from a distance: Just look at that. Venice exists where it is for a bunch of reasons, but by my reading of history, it was mostly about people fleeing the "good" places and ending up stuck in a lagoon because they had no where else to go. Deprived of traditional (at the time) ways of getting by (ie, agriculture), the proto-Venetians were forced to become the first Internationalists. Over centuries, they got rich via trade. Fabulously rich. So over the course of 1000 years they built some of the most amazing buildings Western culture has ever managed to create. On sand. You really couldn't find a worse place to build the most beautiful buildings in history. Barely above sea level under the best of conditions, subject to constant flooding by tides and weather, and all on a foundation suffering perpetual subsidence. Well before the world lost it's mind over climate change, this was a well understood problem. Venice has been flooding forever. The earliest photo I could find showed San Marco inundated in 1927, but the historic record goes back way further than that. This is not a new problem. Is it getting worse? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. If it is in fact getting worse, is it because of anthropomorphic climate change, or some other phenomena? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. It is worth noting that, since 1900, Venice has sunk (subsided) a little over 9". Whatever is happening, the Venetians have been been aware of this problem forever, and have been looking for an answer forever. And the answer is fairly obvious. There are three inlets connecting the Venetian lagoon to the Adriatic Sea. Devise a way to close off those inlets during periods of high tide/storm surge, and you've solved it. At least the water part of it. The subsidence part? Well, Venice is probably screwed on that one. That solution has been obvious for 1000 years. And the need for it has been there for 1000 years. But even at the height of Venetian wealth, it was an impossibility...until the fossil fuel driven industrial revolution changed the rules. A richer, more technologically sophisticated, energy-dense industrial humanity has the capacity to solve problems that were unsolvable before. The Venetians first got serious about this in 1966 after that year's particularly bad flooding. With typical Italian efficiency, they waited until 1987 to actually start the MOSE Project, which (again, with typically Italian efficiency), has suffered "multiple delays, cost overruns, and scandals result[ing] in the project missing its 2018 completion deadline, it is now expected to be fully completed in 2022." That project, with over-runs, is projected to cost about $6 billion. Or about 1/4 of what the US government spent on "climate change" as part of the 2009 Stimulus Bill.
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Post by majorminor on Nov 18, 2019 11:12:19 GMT -5
Dammit Jeff - just when I had a good case of self loathing worked up....
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Post by fauxmaha on Nov 18, 2019 11:14:54 GMT -5
Dammit Jeff - just when I had a good case of self loathing worked up.... Those gates the Venetians are building? Think of them as doors. Really big doors. Surely a smart guy like you can figure out a way to get some cheese out of that deal.
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Post by lar on Nov 18, 2019 14:40:00 GMT -5
I think the royals (England not Kansas City) and the uber rich have figured out the answer to all of this. It's simple, really. Governments have figured out the exact level of emissions that should be allowed to escape into the atmosphere at any given time. They then contrived to allocate those emissions. As far as I can tell it was all allotted to industry. Why, I don't know. It seems to me that the average guy that likes to fire up his Weber once a week or so should have gotten something. I digress. Sorry.
Anyway, all of the industrial users have found that they don't need, or at least don't have to use for, all of the emissions they've been granted. So they sell off what they aren't using. The English prince and his movie star wife bought emissions credits so they could fly over to see Sir Elton in France.
What could be more egalitarian than an open market for emissions credits? Anyone can buy them. God knows I wouldn't want the royals to be kept awake at night thinking that they hadn't done their fair share to mitigate their eco-sins.
China, as a communist country that hasn't quite got the idea of capitalist economics yet, seems to be struggling with this idea. Have you seen recent photos of downtown Shanghai? The air is so bad you can actually see it.
We won't see any significant changes until wealthy people have to deal with climate issues as something other than another household expense.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Nov 18, 2019 15:03:01 GMT -5
Mike
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Post by Marshall on Nov 18, 2019 15:11:59 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Nov 18, 2019 15:16:54 GMT -5
China, as a communist country that hasn't quite got the idea of capitalist economics yet, seems to be struggling with this idea. Have you seen recent photos of downtown Shanghai? The air is so bad you can actually see it. A friend goes to CHina regularly on biz. Checking out manufacturing of items his company has manufactured over there. He says you cannot see the sky, even on a "sunny" day.
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Post by epaul on Nov 18, 2019 15:23:08 GMT -5
Better to radiate one candle than curse the darkness.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 18, 2019 15:31:45 GMT -5
Better to radiate one candle than curse the darkness. Do you have the copyright on that one?
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Post by lar on Nov 18, 2019 15:40:40 GMT -5
China, as a communist country that hasn't quite got the idea of capitalist economics yet, seems to be struggling with this idea. Have you seen recent photos of downtown Shanghai? The air is so bad you can actually see it. A friend goes to CHina regularly on biz. Checking out manufacturing of items his company has manufactured over there. He says you cannot see the sky, even on a "sunny" day. I had the same experience the first time I drove the Dan Ryan into Indiana on a hot August day when the Gary steel mills were still operating. Whew!
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 18, 2019 15:53:07 GMT -5
China, as a communist country that hasn't quite got the idea of capitalist economics yet, seems to be struggling with this idea. Have you seen recent photos of downtown Shanghai? The air is so bad you can actually see it. A friend goes to CHina regularly on biz. Checking out manufacturing of items his company has manufactured over there. He says you cannot see the sky, even on a "sunny" day. But that stuff has nothing to do with CO2.
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Post by millring on Nov 18, 2019 16:01:49 GMT -5
Fort Wayne Indiana just this morning announced that so far this month they have experienced the coldest November since records have been kept. So the climate must be cooling.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 18, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5
Fort Wayne Indiana just this morning announced that so far this month they have experienced the coldest November since records have been kept. So the climate must be cooling. You haven't been keeping up with the latest alarmist sciency stuff. It's not that global warming will make things warm, it's that things will become more variable- warmer one minute, colder the next, drier the third, and raining like hell by the end of the week. Basically Michigan. Only more Michigany. I think. Fundamentally, if there's weather, it's global warming.
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