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Post by factorychef on Nov 7, 2020 11:27:55 GMT -5
CNN just called it for Biden.
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Post by Dub on Nov 7, 2020 11:34:27 GMT -5
CNN just called it for Biden. As did AP.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 7, 2020 11:35:36 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Fox, the fair and balanced network.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 11:36:07 GMT -5
I guess "The Storm" has been postponed and those pedophile/cannibal/Hollywood elites will run roughshod over America....
Either that, or sanity, dignity and consistency will be returned to the Oval Office and American foreign and domestic policy. Values will matter again. Science will matter again. TRUTH will matter again.
I'll go with the latter choice.
And to the various people here I've blocked (or whatever the term is) and whose posts I no longer bother to read, to quote their guy Trump, "It is what it is."
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 7, 2020 11:45:50 GMT -5
To me, these media calls don't amount to much. A lot of us have been following the same numbers these folks have and reading the same information about where the remaining ballots are from and what kinds of ballots they are. It's been clear for a while that Pennsylvania wouldn't turn around. That's probably true of Nevada as well. It's probably also true of Arizona, although there are additional elements of uncertainty here.
Georgia will get a recount. I think Wisconsin had one four years ago and the vote total changed by less than 150 votes. Anything's possible but the margins in the swing states will mostly or entirely be too large for recounts to be likely to change the results much.
A lot of people want finality. We'll only really have it when all the votes are certified. That's a long way off. These media calls offer a version of finality. It's basically bogus but I guess it'll have to do.
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Post by t-bob on Nov 7, 2020 12:05:09 GMT -5
David
And to the various people here I've blocked (or whatever the term is) and whose posts I no longer bother to read, to quote their guy Trump, "It is what it is."
How can you block people in Soundhole?
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 7, 2020 12:19:22 GMT -5
I don't know about "bogus." These calls are not official--the fat lady don't sing the recessional until the Electoral College tunes up, and even there the possibility of faithless electors lurks. But the major suspense about the distribution of state results and the likely margins of error and the mathematical maneuvering room available to Trump would seem to be down to manageable levels.
The remaining suspense and anxiety has to do with how much confusion and foot-dragging and litigation the Trumpists will generate before all the legalities get nailed down. January 20 is a hard deadline, but there's plenty of mischief available to be made before then.
Then there's the near-certain prospect of a Trumpist political movement, as Argentina had to put up with Peronists for decades. And what to do with a McConnell-led Senate squatting on the legislative process. But those are worries for next year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 12:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by drlj on Nov 7, 2020 12:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 12:33:31 GMT -5
David
And to the various people here I've blocked (or whatever the term is) and whose posts I no longer bother to read, to quote their guy Trump, "It is what it is."How can you block people in Soundhole? "Blocked" is the wrong term. There's a way to hide their posts, but it still gives you the option of reading them, which I don't. You also have the option of blocking them from messaging you. You click on their profile, then click on the gear thingie in the upper right, then click on "Block Member." The practice lowers your blood pressure and saves you time. And you really don't miss anything important.
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Post by t-bob on Nov 7, 2020 12:34:57 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Fox, the fair and balanced network.?
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Post by dradtke on Nov 7, 2020 12:54:43 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Fox, the fair and balanced network. They report, you decide. So if you decide Trump wins, he wins.
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Post by theevan on Nov 7, 2020 12:56:29 GMT -5
To me, these media calls don't amount to much. A lot of us have been following the same numbers these folks have and reading the same information about where the remaining ballots are from and what kinds of ballots they are. It's been clear for a while that Pennsylvania wouldn't turn around. That's probably true of Nevada as well. It's probably also true of Arizona, although there are additional elements of uncertainty here. Georgia will get a recount. I think Wisconsin had one four years ago and the vote total changed by less than 150 votes. Anything's possible but the margins in the swing states will mostly or entirely be too large for recounts to be likely to change the results much. A lot of people want finality. We'll only really have it when all the votes are certified. That's a long way off. These media calls offer a version of finality. It's basically bogus but I guess it'll have to do. I understand, Don, but at this point it seems statistically highly unlikely any of that would change the outcome. I'm ready to move on.
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Post by theevan on Nov 7, 2020 12:57:38 GMT -5
On a related note, I'm sure shopkeepers everywhere are boarding up windows and fleeing in anticipation of roving band of Trumpsters rioting, looting and burning.
Right?
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2020 13:02:07 GMT -5
On a related note, I'm sure shopkeepers everywhere are boarding up windows and fleeing in anticipation of roving band of Trumpsters rioting, looting and burning. Right? Probably not. We actually have to go to work and don't have time for that shit.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Nov 7, 2020 13:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by billhammond on Nov 7, 2020 13:06:57 GMT -5
Well, at least Trump took it with grace and dignity.
Text of a statement from President Donald Trump on the election result:
"We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don't want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.
"Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.
"So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands."
The statement was issued while Trump was golfing at his club in Virginia.
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Post by epaul on Nov 7, 2020 13:12:14 GMT -5
I think this election business will get settled more quickly than some might expect.
It is one thing to wage, and fund, a ridiculously expensive election challenge in one pivotal whisker-close state that holds the promise of delivering the presidency (i.e. Florida). It is quite another to wage, and fund, four election challenges in four separate states facing long odds of success. Frankly the Republicans don't have enough lawyers to wage a Florida-style challenge in four separate states. And no way in hell will the party have the means or the will to pay for four such extracted challenges. And Trump sure the hell doesn't have the money to pay for the all the lawyers it will take.
The Republican party, once their billfold gets a little strained, will suddenly become clear-eyed enough to pull the plug on this futility after a brief token of a fight.
The odds are too great, the obstacles too many, the cases too weak. Trump can tweet and toot all he wants, pursuing four challenges requires an incredible amount of money and the money won't be there. The Republican party is going to move on... to the Georgia Senate races. The presidency is Biden's, but as of yet, the Senate isn't. Republican efforts and dollars are going to flow to Georgia... where they can do some good.
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 7, 2020 13:13:17 GMT -5
"I understand, Don, but at this point it seems statistically highly unlikely any of that would change the outcome. I'm ready to move on." Believe me, Evan, so am I.
Russell, about this: "The remaining suspense and anxiety has to do with how much confusion and foot-dragging and litigation the Trumpists will generate before all the legalities get nailed down. January 20 is a hard deadline, but there's plenty of mischief available to be made before then." I was very concerned about that several weeks ago. I now think there will be less of it than I feared, partly because most people want to move on. There were reports that the Trump campaign might try to get supportive legislators to endorse pro-Trump electors in states where he lost the popular vote. I exchanged thoughts with a lawyer for the Democratic Party here about the legal arguments that could be made under Arizona law to stop that. They're strong. But I don't think it'll get that far. If the Republicans in our legislature tried to override the voters' will, they'd run into a firestorm from people in both parties. I don't think any such move would get support from our governor or from our state supreme court.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 7, 2020 13:14:55 GMT -5
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