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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 5, 2021 19:19:46 GMT -5
Typical Letson, can't say something's not true so he shoots the source. Russell, you're bat-shit crazy as always.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 5, 2021 19:51:01 GMT -5
You got me to Google "Proud Boys" since I don't really know anything about them and neither did Trump in Charlottesville. Having read what the left press says about them, I think I like them. Only "White Supremacist" group I know of that accepts Black members. They support everything I like and none of the Democrat bull-shit. They're reactive and don't start the fights. Next to Anti-fa and BLM, they're girl scouts. All the rest is just name calling from the left wing media that supports the bull shit. By MICHAEL BALSAMO and COLLEEN LONG Associated Press JANUARY 5, 2021 — 4:10PM ALLISON DINNER, ASSOCIATED PRESS In this Sept. 26, 2020, file photo, Proud Boys leader Henry “Enrique” Tarrio wears a hat that says the War Boys during a rally in Portland, Ore. TEXT SIZE EMAIL PRINT MORE WASHINGTON — A judge has banned the leader of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, from the nation's capital after he was accused of vandalizing a Black Lives Matter banner at a historic Black church and found with high-capacity firearm magazines when he was arrested. The order bans Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 36, from entering the District of Columbia, with very limited exceptions to meet with his attorney or appear in court. It comes a day after he was arrested arriving in Washington ahead of protests planned by supporters of President Donald Trump to coincide with the congressional vote expected Wednesday to affirm Joe Biden's election victory. Tarrio was arrested Monday by the Metropolitan Police Department and accused of burning a Black Lives Matter banner that was torn down from a historic Black church in downtown Washington last month. He was charged with destruction of property and is also facing a weapons charges after officers found him with the firearm magazines when he was arrested. According to the criminal complaint, when police pulled Tarrio over on the warrant for vandalizing the Black Lives Matter sign, officers found two unloaded magazines emblazoned with the Proud Boys logo in his bag that have a capacity of 30 rounds each for AR-15 or M4-style weapons. A large Black Lives Matter sign was ripped from Asbury United Methodist Church property, torn and set aflame in December. Tarrio was seen with the sign in video of the incident posted on YouTube, according to a police report. Tarrio admitted to police, according to their report, that he posted a confession on the right-wing site Parler that he had set fire to the sign. "There was no hate crime committed," he wrote. "It isn't about the color of the someone's skin. Against the wishes of my attorney I am here today to admit that I am the person responsible for the burning of this sign. And I am not ashamed of what I did because I didn't do it out of hate ... I did it out of love." Tarrio also said, according to a police report, that he sells the clips and the ones he was carrying were purchased by a customer. "I had a customer that bought those two mags, and they got returned 'cause it was a wrong address," Tarrio said, according to court papers. "And I contacted him, and he's like, 'I'm going to be in DC,' so I'm like, 'Okay, I'll take 'em to you.' So that I can show you proof ....I can give you, like my invoices and stuff like that from it, and, like, the USPS shipping label." He was arrested in a tunnel near the Capitol, ahead of what is expected to be large far-right protests gathering in D.C. according to Tarrio's online postings: "The ProudBoys will turn out in record numbers on Jan 6th but this time with a twist," saying they'd spread out incognito. Tarrio's attorney did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jan 5, 2021 20:09:07 GMT -5
Bruce, your link is to a letter to the editor of a New Hampshire newspaper*. And the letter-writer seems to have pretty much reproduced a 2018 White House press release. How exactly is that supposed to prove that Trump is "the best President in decades"? One guy in New Hampshire and another in Virginia obviously think so, but that list is just a PR office's argument. There are other lists of Trump accomplishments floating around, and those have been fact-checked extensively**. Some of the accomplishments are genuine, some are good things that Trump had little or nothing to do with (Congressional actions that he simply signed off on), and some were the results of processes that began before his administration. Then there's the question of things that he "accomplished" that are actually toxic. I'm not crazy, just used to checking sources. And vetting arguments. And distinguishing between mere assertion and evidence. * To be fair, the once-very-conservative and rock-ribbed Republican Union-Leader found Trump more than it could tolerate and endorsed Biden. That is a significant change. ** For example, here, even though it's the NYT: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.html
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 5, 2021 20:11:01 GMT -5
So, basically he didn't do anything but burn a BLM sign. They arrested him before the fact of any real crime. Communists and fascists do that sort of thing. BLM, not the idea the organization, is a terrorist organization that riots, loots and commits arson on a daily basis. Like I said, girl-scout.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 5, 2021 20:13:03 GMT -5
Bruce, your link is to a letter to the editor of a New Hampshire newspaper*. And the letter-writer seems to have pretty much reproduced a 2018 White House press release. How exactly is that supposed to prove that Trump is "the best President in decades"? One guy in New Hampshire and another in Virginia obviously think so, but that list is just a PR office's argument. There are other lists of Trump accomplishments floating around, and those have been fact-checked extensively**. Some of the accomplishments are genuine, some are good things that Trump had little or nothing to do with (Congressional actions that he simply signed off on), and some were the results of processes that began before his administration. Then there's the question of things that he "accomplished" that are actually toxic. I'm not crazy, just used to checking sources. And vetting arguments. And distinguishing between mere assertion and evidence. * To be fair, the once-very-conservative and rock-ribbed Republican Union-Leader found Trump more than it could tolerate and endorsed Biden. That is a significant change. ** For example, here, even though it's the NYT: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.htmlNo, Russell you are in fact bat-shit crazy and I'm amazed that your super ego fits in this universe.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 5, 2021 20:18:36 GMT -5
Bruce, your link is to a letter to the editor of a New Hampshire newspaper*. And the letter-writer seems to have pretty much reproduced a 2018 White House press release. How exactly is that supposed to prove that Trump is "the best President in decades"? One guy in New Hampshire and another in Virginia obviously think so, but that list is just a PR office's argument. There are other lists of Trump accomplishments floating around, and those have been fact-checked extensively**. Some of the accomplishments are genuine, some are good things that Trump had little or nothing to do with (Congressional actions that he simply signed off on), and some were the results of processes that began before his administration. Then there's the question of things that he "accomplished" that are actually toxic. I'm not crazy, just used to checking sources. And vetting arguments. And distinguishing between mere assertion and evidence. * To be fair, the once-very-conservative and rock-ribbed Republican Union-Leader found Trump more than it could tolerate and endorsed Biden. That is a significant change. ** For example, here, even though it's the NYT: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.htmlNo, Russell you are in fact bat-shit crazy and I'm amazed that your super ego fits in this universe. Good Lord, Bruce.
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Post by james on Jan 5, 2021 20:41:40 GMT -5
Favouring anti-fascists over fascists has always been an easy choice for me. The ShutdownDC people, who Josh Hawley called antifa scumbags, are not the enemy. Violent, white supremacist hate groups are. Those groups are some of the festering, sickening expressions of a growing international cancer of populism, authoritarianism and demagogy.
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Post by theevan on Jan 5, 2021 20:50:51 GMT -5
Favouring anti-fascists over fascists has always been an easy choice for me. The ShutdownDC people, who Josh Hawley called antifa scumbags, are not the enemy. Violent, white supremacist hate groups are. Those groups are some of the festering, sickening expressions of a growing international cancer of populism, authoritarianism and demagogy. Easy for me, too. I reject them all. Authoritarianism seems to be encroaching from all sides. Curiously, even from so-called anarchists. Once government gains an inch of power, it never gives it up willingly. That thought informs my concerns for what lies ahead.
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Post by Village Idiot on Jan 5, 2021 21:09:13 GMT -5
I get that the Antifa are anti-fascist and anti-racist. But I wonder what they accomplish when they show up at a protest. If one protest group shows up to demonstrate against something the last thing we need is another protest group showing up to counter the other group's beliefs. It accomplishes nothing unless fanning the flames is considered an accomplishment.
The Proud Boys will show up tomorrow in DC. What if no one showed up to counter them? If a tree falls in the forest...
Sometimes non-reaction is the best reaction. Sometimes the best thing to do is to let loudmouths shout at no one but themselves.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jan 5, 2021 21:21:44 GMT -5
No, Russell you are in fact bat-shit crazy and I'm amazed that your super ego fits in this universe. Well, there is that famous line of Rooster Cogburns' from True Grit, but I'm way too well brought up to actually use it here.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 5, 2021 23:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by jdd2 on Jan 6, 2021 4:24:54 GMT -5
I hope Joe McCarthy is the model for how trumps/trumpism will fall out of favor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 5:09:28 GMT -5
The GOP is a dinosaur staring at an asteroid hurtling toward Earth. Demographics aren't in the party's favor, and the young ones, like Hawley, are full of piss and vinegar and bad ideas. Or no ideas. They have no cogent plan forward, largely because they have spent much of their political lives selling chicken shit as chicken salad. Eventually, people get tired of the former.
That's why Republicans and Trump are throwing out every dumb, illegal and un-American notion they can to try and hold onto power. They know that if they lose power, they may never get it back again. They know there aren't enough Bruces out there to sustain a viable political party.
With Georgia, the asteroid has hit the Yucatán and the dinosaurs are lumbering around until the first blast wave hits.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jan 6, 2021 8:58:11 GMT -5
So, basically he didn't do anything but burn a BLM sign. They arrested him before the fact of any real crime. Communists and fascists do that sort of thing. BLM, not the idea the organization, is a terrorist organization that riots, loots and commits arson on a daily basis. Like I said, girl-scout. Tearing down the sign belonging to the church and burning it is a real crime.
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Post by james on Jan 6, 2021 11:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by billhammond on Jan 8, 2021 10:18:11 GMT -5
By HILLEL ITALIE Associated Press
NEW YORK — A planned book by Sen. Josh Hawley, who objected to President-elect Joe Biden's win and backed baseless claims that the election was stolen, has been canceled by its publisher in the wake of the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump supporters, a decision the Missouri Republican called "Orwellian" and vowed to fight in court.
In a statement Thursday, Simon & Schuster announced that "After witnessing the disturbing, deadly insurrection that took place on Wednesday in Washington, D.C, Simon & Schuster has decided to cancel publication of Senator Josh Hawley's forthcoming book, 'The Tyranny of Big Tech.'
"We did not come to this decision lightly," the publisher added. "As a publisher it will always be our mission to amplify a variety of voices and viewpoints: at the same time we take seriously our larger public responsibility as citizens, and cannot support Senator Hawley after his role in what became a dangerous threat to our democracy and freedom."
Thousands of Trump supporters had gathered in Washington on Wednesday to protest Congress' formal certification of Biden's win and many ended up storming into the Capitol and occupying it for hours, delaying the process into early Thursday morning. A widely seen photo, taken before the occupation, shows Hawley raising a fist in solidarity to the crowd.
Hawley has often been cited as possible future presidential candidate and his book, scheduled to come out in June, was an intended forum for a favorite theme — the undue power of Google, Facebook and other internet giants. Soon after news broke that his book was dropped, Hawley tweeted, and tagged his comments directly to Simon & Schuster, that he was being unfairly censored and punished: "I was representing my constituents, leading a debate on the Senate floor on voter integrity, which they have now decided to redefine as sedition."
"This could not be more Orwellian... Let me be clear, this is not just a contract dispute. It's a direct assault on the First Amendment... I will fight this cancel culture with everything I have. We'll see you in court."
Simon & Schuster quickly issued another statement: "We are confident that we are acting fully within our contractual rights" to cancel the book.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 10:22:56 GMT -5
For someone who claims to be so smart, Hawley needs to go back and study Constitutional Law. The First Amendment has absolutely zero to do with a private company's decision whether to publish his book or not. Simon & Schuster is not an agent of the government.
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Jan 8, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -5
Bruce, your link is to a letter to the editor of a New Hampshire newspaper*. And the letter-writer seems to have pretty much reproduced a 2018 White House press release. How exactly is that supposed to prove that Trump is "the best President in decades"? One guy in New Hampshire and another in Virginia obviously think so, but that list is just a PR office's argument. There are other lists of Trump accomplishments floating around, and those have been fact-checked extensively**. Some of the accomplishments are genuine, some are good things that Trump had little or nothing to do with (Congressional actions that he simply signed off on), and some were the results of processes that began before his administration. Then there's the question of things that he "accomplished" that are actually toxic. I'm not crazy, just used to checking sources. And vetting arguments. And distinguishing between mere assertion and evidence. * To be fair, the once-very-conservative and rock-ribbed Republican Union-Leader found Trump more than it could tolerate and endorsed Biden. That is a significant change. ** For example, here, even though it's the NYT: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.htmlNo, Russell you are in fact bat-shit crazy and I'm amazed that your super ego fits in this universe. I think you actually mean to use the word ego. Freud's concept of the super ego refers to the part of a person's mind that acts as a self-critical conscience, reflecting social standards learned from parents and teachers. It acts to keep the id in check. I believe the person you are attacking does possess one, however. It is what separates us from animals and keeps society civilized.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 8, 2021 12:14:36 GMT -5
Here's my favorite Hawley photo from Wednesday.
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Post by dradtke on Jan 8, 2021 13:18:45 GMT -5
What's that on his lapel? It's not a flag pin.
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