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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2023 13:13:32 GMT -5
Here is something to consider. The used horn market is a little tight at the moment, as is the new horn market (brass prices?) Anyway, if you don't find a good used horn at a decent price, the Yamaha 400 series plays just as good and is built just as well as their 600 series (and just as well as any Bach at any price, ((and will likely be built better)) Here is a new Yamaha 446 (.525) at Sweetwater for $2200 (the price you would have to pay a so-so used Bach 36 and only a little more than you might have to pay for a really nice used 640. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/YSL446G--yamaha-ysl-446g-intermediate-f-attachment-trombone-clear-lacquer-with-gold-bell |
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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2023 13:21:14 GMT -5
There are "gold brass bells" and "yellow brass bells". Don't worry about that, unless you want to. (It's somewhat like guitar tone woods). A player might pick up on slight differences when doing a A/B thing, but both sound good and to audience the same.
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Post by John B on Feb 17, 2023 14:03:17 GMT -5
What's open (or modified open) wrap vs. traditional wrap?
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Post by dradtke on Feb 17, 2023 14:14:51 GMT -5
I used to be a medium bore, but now it seems I become more of a large bore every day. I always thought of epaul as a large bore, but don't tell him I said that. He's a little bit sensitive sometimes. |
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Post by Village Idiot on Feb 17, 2023 14:46:41 GMT -5
For the record, I regard your Tower City wardrobe malfunction as a blessing. It got us our next 8 gigs. If it is playable, all slides working, including the tuning slide in back, you could perhaps gift it to a possible grandkid or some other kid. I would only consider this option if the slide moves effortlessly and quietly. If it doesn't, it will do the kid a disservice and lead to frustration/quitting (and for three hundred bucks or so, you can find a used Yamaha 354 that plays like a professional instrument ((and is still shiny)). You told Tamarak that it was his wardrobe malfunction that got us the next 8 gigs. Which one is it? Donating the trombone to a kid was exactly the plan when I picked it up. There are kids who can't afford to rent an instrument and the intention has been to get it into a kid's hands. I just didn't want to show up at a school and donate a piece of crap that they'd throw into a dumpster the second I left. I do know the slide works well, which I discovered after learning that there is a slide lock. I'll have to check out the tuning slide. I know what that is now too. Next, the tenor sax. |
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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2023 15:40:29 GMT -5
Open wrap on left, closed/traditional wrap right  When the F-trigger is engaged, the air stream is directed to an additional section of tubing that lengthens the total amount of tubing the air travels from mouthpiece to bell. The length of this extra tubing is exactly the same between the "traditional/closed" wrap and an "open wrap". A traditional wrap keeps this extra tubing within the confines of the "non-F" length of the horn by using curves/bends in the tubing. An open wrap takes a couple of these extra "space saving" bends/curves out and allows the F-tubing to extend beyond the standard confines of the horn which results in extending the total length of the horn (physical length of the horn, not the length of the tubing that makes up the horn). The F tuning slide of an open wrap horn pokes out beyond the main tuning slide. The F tuning slide of a closed wrap horn doesn't poke out beyond the main tuning slide. The theory/hope of an open wrap design is that by taking out the extra bends and allowing more "straight air flow" while in the trigger position, the horn will play with less air resistance, making the trigger tones sound and feel more like the non-triggered tone and feel. Some players notice the difference, some don't. Some prefer open wraps, some prefer closed wraps. Whatever the difference (slight) is, it only applies to the "feel" of the blow while the horn is in the triggered position with the triggered notes. Open vs Closed wrap is just one part of the total package that contributes to a horn's blow in the trigger position. The design of the trigger valve itself is prominent as is the overall design of the horn. I don't regard open vs closed as much of a consideration, especially if buying used. It verges into "princess and the pea" territory in my book (but then I can go a week or more without ever using the trigger, and when I do, any subtlety of the blow is lost within the noise and pressure of the band room). As the extended tuning slide of an "open wrap" can poke out as much as an extra 6" from the rest of the horn, players who sometimes perform in confined quarters, such as when playing a crowded pit (for shows) or when stuck against a back wall in a music room, often hate open wraps as they keep banging them into things (always look for dents in the tuning slide). Open wraps make the back end of a horn longer. |
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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2023 22:07:28 GMT -5
Correction: I meant to say Bach 36F (I wrote Martin 36 as I can conflate the two due their respective position in their respective fields). The Bach 36 is Bach's pro-line .525 trombone model. It comes both straight and with F-attachment.
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Post by billhammond on Feb 17, 2023 22:09:47 GMT -5
Correction: I meant to say Bach 36F (I wrote Martin 36 as I can conflate the two due their respective position in their respective fields). The Bach 36 is Bach's pro-line .525 trombone model. It comes both straight and with F-attachment. Well, we all knew that, not a problem. |
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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2023 22:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Feb 18, 2023 0:02:19 GMT -5
Oh, and specifically, the bore measurement is the diameter of the inner slide tube. When you see a horn referred to as having a "dual bore", that means one slide tube is one bore while the other tube has a different bore. For example, the top slide tube might be a .485 diameter while the bottom tube will be .508 bore.
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Post by billhammond on Feb 18, 2023 0:16:23 GMT -5
Oh, and specifically, the bore measurement is the diameter of the inner slide tube. When you see a horn referred to as having a "dual bore", that means one slide tube is one bore while the other tube has a different bore. For example, the top slide tube might be a .485 diameter while the bottom tube will be .508 bore. Boring ................ |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Feb 18, 2023 12:06:40 GMT -5
How to tell if your trombone is made from vintage “sinker” brass.
Throw the trombone into a lake. If it’s sinks, it’s the famed sinker brass and you’ve really got something. Or had something.
Mike
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Post by drlj on Feb 18, 2023 12:14:23 GMT -5
Should we say trombone and sweet in the same sentence?
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Post by Dub on Feb 18, 2023 12:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Feb 18, 2023 13:04:42 GMT -5
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