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Post by John B on Jan 23, 2024 8:25:42 GMT -5
I'm the diversity in my neighborhood... I was talking to one sister, the last call or the one before. She taught for years in chicago, went back for an MPA, and ended being principal at an elementary school in Skokie. She said they had over 30 languages at that school, and gushed on about how thankful the people were to have their kids in school there. No sense/air of entitlement from either the parents or the kids. What school? Mom was the media center director (librarian) at Fairview from 1989 - 2005 or so. It may not have been the same school, but she had similar stories regarding the population (and some doozy stories about parents, but that holds true for any school).
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Post by Tamarack on Jan 23, 2024 11:07:04 GMT -5
We live in a neighborhood about 90% white, 10% black and Latino, in a square mile between Burton Street and 28th Street. Burton Street has long ben the dividing line between predominantly black neighborhoods and predominantly white neighborhoods, but the line is getting blurred. Our church is in a formerly Dutch neighborhood that is now predominantly black. In the 1960s the congregation decided to stay put while white flight was occurring all around them.
When I go to the grocery store, the population at any given time is about 50% white and 50% black, Latino, and Asian, with lots of people from lots of African, Latin American, and Asian countries.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 23, 2024 11:26:24 GMT -5
... the dividing line between predominantly black neighborhoods and predominantly black neighborhoods ... Wow, talk about a thin line.
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Post by Tamarack on Jan 23, 2024 13:14:36 GMT -5
Typo has been corrected...
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Post by Dub on Jan 23, 2024 13:24:46 GMT -5
Typo has been corrected... I’m guessing that line is also red.
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Post by coachdoc on Jan 23, 2024 14:40:19 GMT -5
I spent my younger years in an area semi jokingly referred to as the golden ghetto. Once graduated from college lived in a Philly neighborhood shared with the violent group Move. Hung out in West Philly with a houseful of white musicians. I moved out before the police and fire dept. burned the neighborhood down. Really. It was quite the national news item.
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Post by millring on Jan 24, 2024 4:48:59 GMT -5
I work daily with a short, mouthy Mexican and have seen the world through his eyes for three years now. The best and the worst of it. He's been run down in an upscale neighborhood for "stealing" a package he was delivering to a ring-guarded porch, had a shotgun leveled at him as he approached a house down a quarter mile drive, but he maintains a wicked sense of humor and has family all over town who've been known to track him down on the route to bring him tamales, and like others raised in the world of social capital, he will do anything for you.
The office has a growing contingent of Puerto Ricans and their machine gun Spanish can be heard everywhere every day.
My postmaster is a woman, and more than half of our rural side carriers are women.
Warsaw is a small town and a last hold out for the KKK. If you know where to look you can find the vestiges of the culture among the rural meth cookers dotting the countryside and its shacks and trailers. But modernity has taken over and we have very large populations of Asians (our high tech orthopedic companies need the engineers). And Hispanic. And though the Indians have yet to assimilate ( they all live in apartments) the Hispanics are slowly but surely buying homes (though often several families live in a single house). Still not many black, though that's slowly changing with job opportunities in the orthopedic companies.
Our wealthiest and our poorest are white. Not many Irish or albinos. I apologize (as one so privileged should) for being among the majority, though.
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Post by howard lee on Jan 24, 2024 6:27:37 GMT -5
I live in the city known as "The Melting Pot," among other names. I was raised in an integrated neighborhood.
The people who live in my building are Black, Latino, Asian, White, (East) Indian, Caribbean, our building staff is mostly Latino, the owner/manager and subordinates (mostly his nephews) of our local supermarket are Palestinian. Our neighborhood is a rich mix of ethnicity and culture. I ride the subway every day and it is a veritable mosaic of people from all over the world. I work with Orthodox Jews, non-Jewish Whites, Latinos, Blacks, Asians. There's also one Irish guy. That's all I've got.
An original Brooklynite here. However I was raised in a burb of San Francisco. The developer of our neighborhood (Eichler) put strong anti-discrimination language into the covenants. As a result, our place was mostly Japanese and Chinese with a smattering of other origins in the mix (ex-pat German Jews next door, Tongolese across the street, etc.). I only had two white friends growing up. Scott's dad was a relief pitcher for the SF Giants, and Fred's dad was Air Force.
Holy smoke. You lived in an Eichler house? When my daughter visited friends in Fresno last summer, they spent a day visiting another friend who bought an Eichler, and the child came home raving about it, which made me go online and look it up. Design-wise, I think those houses are way cool, built for a certain lifestyle, and privacy from the street.
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Post by jdd2 on Jan 24, 2024 6:44:05 GMT -5
I'm the diversity in my neighborhood... I was talking to one sister, the last call or the one before. She taught for years in chicago, went back for an MPA, and ended being principal at an elementary school in Skokie. She said they had over 30 languages at that school, and gushed on about how thankful the people were to have their kids in school there. No sense/air of entitlement from either the parents or the kids. What school? Mom was the media center director (librarian) at Fairview from 1989 - 2005 or so. It may not have been the same school, but she had similar stories regarding the population (and some doozy stories about parents, but that holds true for any school). Sis's name is Marla. Ask her if she knows that name?
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Post by John B on Jan 24, 2024 8:17:42 GMT -5
An original Brooklynite here. However I was raised in a burb of San Francisco. The developer of our neighborhood (Eichler) put strong anti-discrimination language into the covenants. As a result, our place was mostly Japanese and Chinese with a smattering of other origins in the mix (ex-pat German Jews next door, Tongolese across the street, etc.). I only had two white friends growing up. Scott's dad was a relief pitcher for the SF Giants, and Fred's dad was Air Force. Holy smoke. You lived in an Eichler house? When my daughter visited friends in Fresno last summer, they spent a day visiting another friend who bought an Eichler, and the child came home raving about it, which made me go online and look it up. Design-wise, I think those houses are way cool, built for a certain lifestyle, and privacy from the street. Totally off track, but the architect of my KC house had some similar ideas to Eichler, but he was inspired by Aalto and the Saarinens, for whom he worked for a while. He was also a classmate or Ray and Harry Eames at Cranbrook, Which is kind of wild since I live near one of only three houses Eero Saarinen ever designed. My KC house: www.kcmodern.com/all-climate-house-1 Most of the photos are from our listing when we sold the house.
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Post by theevan on Jan 24, 2024 11:41:49 GMT -5
An original Brooklynite here. However I was raised in a burb of San Francisco. The developer of our neighborhood (Eichler) put strong anti-discrimination language into the covenants. As a result, our place was mostly Japanese and Chinese with a smattering of other origins in the mix (ex-pat German Jews next door, Tongolese across the street, etc.). I only had two white friends growing up. Scott's dad was a relief pitcher for the SF Giants, and Fred's dad was Air Force. Holy smoke. You lived in an Eichler house? When my daughter visited friends in Fresno last summer, they spent a day visiting another friend who bought an Eichler, and the child came home raving about it, which made me go online and look it up. Design-wise, I think those houses are way cool, built for a certain lifestyle, and privacy from the street. Yes. It was the cheapest development he ever undertook, called 19th Avenue Park. There were two styles with a few variations for corner lots: A pitched roof 3 bedroom and a flat-roofed 4 bedroom. They alternated flat-pitched-flat-pitched. Ugh. Tiny lots. Eichler is an interesting story. He was from New York...he may have gained interest from Levittown. So he moved to the Bay Area, where he rented a Frank Lloyd Wright house in toney Hillsborough, above San Mateo. That house blew his mind. He hired an architect to translate Wright's concepts into an affordable house for everyman. The result was the cheap house I grew up in. It was a great neighborhood, though. I think my folks paid around $9k for it, a bit above the going rate for that size/location/lot. He could charge a premium because of the non-discrimination language in the covenants. Wendy and I stopped by there on a trip out West. A daughter of the Tongolese family across the street still was there. I rode the school bus with her in Jr. High. She very sweetly welcomed us into her place. My old house was looking pretty tired, not in great shape. Yet, Zillow says it's worth around $1.5 million www.zillow.com/homedetails/1642-Wolfe-Dr-San-Mateo-CA-94402/15530811_zpid/
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Post by Hobson on Jan 24, 2024 13:46:00 GMT -5
Forgot to mention that even though my immediate neighborhood is mostly white, we are next to a neighborhood that is mostly Hispanic. Some are the 6th generation in the same house. The homes were built in the early 20th century after Fort Lowell was abandoned.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 24, 2024 13:57:33 GMT -5
I posed this because I think many rural Red state areas a predominantly white. I looked up Iowa 4th District once when the old guy was in office that was in the news for outrageous non-woke comments. The district was listed as 97% white.
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Post by millring on Jan 24, 2024 19:57:23 GMT -5
Jdd lives in Japan. I wonder if the Japanese do a lot of hand wringing over whether they are diverse enough?
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Post by John B on Jan 24, 2024 20:00:18 GMT -5
Why do you care what the Japanese think about?
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Post by millring on Jan 25, 2024 5:26:10 GMT -5
Why do you care what the Japanese think about? I don't. I'm trying to graphically illustrate the ridiculous self flagellation that the most diverse nation in the world does to itself because we're still not diverse enough. Never mind the apologetic posture all white people have adopted, or the "I know more people of color and gays than you do" holier than thou preening. That patronizing is the new form of racism.
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Post by Hobson on Jan 25, 2024 9:00:13 GMT -5
Someone once tried to tell me that Montana is racist because there are so few Blacks there. I argued that it wasn't racism, but history. After slavery was abolished, Blacks didn't migrate to Montana. You could call Arizona racist if you based your opinion on the percentage of Blacks. But that's also history and if you look at the percentage of Hispanics, that's history too. If historical patterns were influenced by discriminatory practices, that's racism.
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Post by millring on Jan 25, 2024 11:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by John B on Jan 29, 2024 9:52:55 GMT -5
Why do you care what the Japanese think about? I don't. I'm trying to graphically illustrate the ridiculous self flagellation that the most diverse nation in the world does to itself because we're still not diverse enough. Never mind the apologetic posture all white people have adopted, or the "I know more people of color and gays than you do" holier than thou preening. That patronizing is the new form of racism. "Holier than thou" comes in a variety of garments.
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Post by majorminor on Jan 29, 2024 10:08:03 GMT -5
Darby Montana is pretty much a WASP wet dream. There is a pretty strong liberal hippy thing happening here in the Bitterroot though so it doesn't feel like "us and them" while living here to me. Just not something I think much about.
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