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Apr 11, 2024 9:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Apr 11, 2024 9:54:29 GMT -5
I like 1440 too, sometimes. Rather Sgt. Friday-ish. “Just the facts, Ma’am.” I also get Quora Digest and Axios. I don’t read any one of these daily. But I pick up on stories.
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Post by epaul on Apr 11, 2024 10:08:44 GMT -5
I get my news from Grit Magazine (delivered daily by that little Jones kid on his cherry red Schwinn Classic Deluxe). "Most of the news you need and not one bit more." Love that paper.
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Apr 11, 2024 11:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2024 11:39:25 GMT -5
Before this is completely derailed on the sidetrack of bias, the larger point he has made in the article is that in all the cases he cited, NPR got the stories wrong. Unapologetically.
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Apr 11, 2024 11:42:21 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 11, 2024 11:42:21 GMT -5
I get all the news I need from my phone. Right now it says it's likely to start raining before I head home, the freeway is accident free, the Tigers are a game and a half out in the American League Central, and the Red Wings are a point out of the last wildcard spot in their division.
Oh, and Blackberry Smoke's drummer died about a week and a half ago.
Oh, again, OJ's dead.
What else do I need to know?
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Apr 11, 2024 11:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 11, 2024 11:43:31 GMT -5
Before this is completely derailed on the sidetrack of bias, the larger point he has made in the article is that in all the cases he cited, NPR got the stories wrong. Unapologetically. But I've always known that.
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Apr 11, 2024 11:48:47 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Apr 11, 2024 11:48:47 GMT -5
Then why, in the context of this discussion, bring into question the source if not to tie the article to it and thereby discredit the article? Not to beat this to death, but The Free Press is expressly an outlet for journalists who believe that other outlets are biased or otherwise compromised, and founder Bari Weiss is pretty famously an "Intellectual Dark Web"* contrarian. I also suspect, from her work history, that she does not much like being an employee or subordinate, which has led her to devising her own platforms and being her own boss. And there's nothing wrong with that--it's as American as pizza. (Sorry-not-sorry if that sounds flippant. I'd rather make bad jokes than get all wound up over stuff that I can't control.) So to repeat my point: The Free Press is not the first place I'd go for disinterested analysis, but I don't dismiss Berliner's account of his workplace because of the venue he chose to publish it. Nor does that venue validate it. * For an interesting take on that, see Jonah Goldberg's NatRev piece: www.nationalreview.com/corner/intellectual-dark-web-bari-weiss/And Weiss's own take: www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.html
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Post by james on Apr 11, 2024 12:01:12 GMT -5
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Apr 11, 2024 12:12:14 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Apr 11, 2024 12:12:14 GMT -5
Dan Kennedy's take is interesting and useful because it is a point-by-point examination of specific claims and it (as we used to have to do with math problems) shows its work. Which doesn't mean that Kennedy's take is 100% right, only that it can be field-stripped and checked for accuracy and rigor. That is what I value in analysis/commentary/op-ed writing. Emotive language and snarkiness are optional ("Fox News, Murdoch’s 800-pound gorilla, reported took a pass on it"), but they're not required. One does like a little sauce with the dry stuff of precise examination, though.
BTW and TBH, I do resonate with big chunks of Berliner's complaints about the internal NPR environment, since it resembles the parts of the university environment that have gotten even more liberal-guilty-sentimentally-righteous in the last few years.
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Apr 11, 2024 18:50:33 GMT -5
Post by Cosmic Wonder on Apr 11, 2024 18:50:33 GMT -5
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Apr 12, 2024 4:58:40 GMT -5
Post by millring on Apr 12, 2024 4:58:40 GMT -5
So, every workday for the past 50 years, I have sat down at my desk to advocate a certain world view, and all my colleagues have, as well? You don't think your counterpart at FOX News has been doing exactly that?
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Apr 12, 2024 10:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Apr 12, 2024 10:22:30 GMT -5
For millring
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Apr 12, 2024 13:11:06 GMT -5
Post by epaul on Apr 12, 2024 13:11:06 GMT -5
So, every workday for the past 50 years, I have sat down at my desk to advocate a certain world view, and all my colleagues have, as well? You don't think your counterpart at FOX News has been doing exactly that? Well... If a reporter at the Star Tribune reports that Trump's constant and persistent claims of massive voter fraud with hoards of dead people voting for Biden have been discredited as they lack factual support, he is relying on the substantive findings of our judicial system, the election reviews of every Secretary of State of every state in the Union, and the findings of every investigation that has been ordered by state legislative authorities. If a reporter from Fox reports that Trump's constant and persistent claims of massive voter with hoards of dead people voting for Biden have been discredited and lack merit, he or she is assigned to cleaning the bathrooms for a month with no coffee breaks. Reporters at Fox learn quickly. And report differently, at least whenever and wherever Trump of the Long Reach is concerned. "Give Trump a pass and tread lightly, boys. Switch the topic to big, hairy transgenders raised by fat lesbians being allowed to play girl sports against little girls as quickly as possible. That's the ticket to success and bonuses!"
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Apr 12, 2024 17:11:00 GMT -5
Post by Marshall on Apr 12, 2024 17:11:00 GMT -5
I read that, and it doesn't say much other than "I don't agree."
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Apr 12, 2024 18:04:08 GMT -5
Post by Cornflake on Apr 12, 2024 18:04:08 GMT -5
"I read that, and it doesn't say much other than 'I don't agree.'"
I've heard both sides. I've listened to NPR. I think Berliner is right. I've seen this movie in other settings and it has never turned out well.
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Apr 15, 2024 5:17:49 GMT -5
Post by millring on Apr 15, 2024 5:17:49 GMT -5
You don't think your counterpart at FOX News has been doing exactly that? Well... If a reporter at the Star Tribune reports that Trump's constant and persistent claims of massive voter fraud with hoards of dead people voting for Biden have been discredited as they lack factual support, he is relying on the substantive findings of our judicial system, the election reviews of every Secretary of State of every state in the Union, and the findings of every investigation that has been ordered by state legislative authorities. If a reporter from Fox reports that Trump's constant and persistent claims of massive voter with hoards of dead people voting for Biden have been discredited and lack merit, he or she is assigned to cleaning the bathrooms for a month with no coffee breaks. Reporters at Fox learn quickly. And report differently, at least whenever and wherever Trump of the Long Reach is concerned. "Give Trump a pass and tread lightly, boys. Switch the topic to big, hairy transgenders raised by fat lesbians being allowed to play girl sports against little girls as quickly as possible. That's the ticket to success and bonuses!" None of those issues appear in Uri Berliner's article.
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Apr 16, 2024 10:13:50 GMT -5
Post by howard lee on Apr 16, 2024 10:13:50 GMT -5
An interesting turn of events.
'NPR has suspended the senior business editor who penned a scathing online essay claiming the radio network had “lost America’s trust” by embracing a “progressive worldview,” prompting fierce right-wing backlash and calls to defund the public radio network. '
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Post by theevan on Apr 16, 2024 10:23:18 GMT -5
An interesting turn of events. 'NPR has suspended the senior business editor who penned a scathing online essay claiming the radio network had “lost America’s trust” by embracing a “progressive worldview,” prompting fierce right-wing backlash and calls to defund the public radio network. '
Saw that. Perhaps what he wrote prompted the suspension w/o pay. But what caused it was writing for another outlet w/o NPR permission. It's in their policies.
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Apr 16, 2024 10:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Apr 16, 2024 10:31:02 GMT -5
The proof is in the pudding, as I always say. I like to take a skeptical view of everything I read/hear. It could be a Chat/gpt article for all I know. Yes, I find this article very damning. Have a nice day. Marshall: the proof is not in the pudding. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm just sayin'.
You can say whatever you like, Howard. I will fight to the death to protect your right to be wrong. www.dictionary.com/e/slang/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/the proof is in the pudding [ thuh proof iz in thuh pood-ing ]
March 9, 2022 WHAT DOES THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING MEAN? The proof is in the pudding is an expression that means the value, quality, or truth of something must be judged based on direct experience with it—or on its results.
The expression is an alteration of an older saying that makes the meaning a bit clearer: the proof of the pudding is in the eating. In other words, things must be judged by trying them yourself or seeing them in action, rather than on other factors, such as hearsay.
Another variation of the term is the proof of the pudding, which refers to the results themselves, direct experience with something, or the testing of something to judge its value or truth.. . . , OK, so maybe we're both right.
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Apr 16, 2024 11:22:12 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Apr 16, 2024 11:22:12 GMT -5
I should reread Berliner's piece to really nail this down, but my recollection is that it makes two sets of claims: that NPR's coverage (both in stories chosen and angles taken) skews disproportionately "left" or "progressive"; and that especially since Trump's entry into poltics and events such as the murder of George Floyd, the organization's hiring and internal personnel practices have skewed in the direction of "woke." And it's pretty clear that he sees a connection--which is also the view taken by the majority of conservative politicians, commentators, and activists. Whatever one thinks of hiring/staff-training policies at NPR (or in universities or corporations), the proof of the journalistic pudding* is in the "news product" itself, and Dan Kennedy's analysis suggests that some of Berliner's claims about actual coverage are not to be taken as gospel. And as someone who listens to NPR and BBC and reads range of reporting and analysis, my immediate reaction to Berliner's list of NPR reporting failures was, "Really? That's not how I remember it." * BTW, if the proof is in the pudding, what is it proof of? See www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html
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Apr 16, 2024 12:07:41 GMT -5
Post by howard lee on Apr 16, 2024 12:07:41 GMT -5
Marshall: the proof is not in the pudding. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm just sayin'.
You can say whatever you like, Howard. I will fight to the death to protect your right to be wrong. www.dictionary.com/e/slang/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/the proof is in the pudding [ thuh proof iz in thuh pood-ing ]
March 9, 2022 WHAT DOES THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING MEAN? The proof is in the pudding is an expression that means the value, quality, or truth of something must be judged based on direct experience with it—or on its results.
The expression is an alteration of an older saying that makes the meaning a bit clearer: the proof of the pudding is in the eating. In other words, things must be judged by trying them yourself or seeing them in action, rather than on other factors, such as hearsay.
Another variation of the term is the proof of the pudding, which refers to the results themselves, direct experience with something, or the testing of something to judge its value or truth.. . . , OK, so maybe we're both right.
I rest my case.
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