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Post by millring on Nov 25, 2008 22:54:25 GMT -5
Obama asks Gates to stay on.- while the cattle are still IN the corral. Closing the gates after they're gone is classic bad planning.
- their hinges.
- caffeine for the next eight years. NOBODY'S gonna be getting much sleep.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 25, 2008 22:56:26 GMT -5
I love John....
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Post by omaha on Nov 25, 2008 22:58:51 GMT -5
Ok, so you don't know that these groups exist. Frankly, I'm skeptical of that claim, at least among politically active and informed folks such as we have here, but I digress.
The point is HRC and Obama know about them, and the apparently better informed Chilibill knows that too. And he knows what they stand for and the role they played in the campaign. And the response he garnered for introducing that information to the discussion (snarky insults, bordering on personal, as is the practice here) was as weak as the afore mentioned denial is unbelievable.
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Post by epaul on Nov 25, 2008 23:10:48 GMT -5
It's true for me and all I know.
I hear Rush every time I try catch my favorite ag market report and world weather report. Rush has my ag shows surrounded. Sometimes I even hear Hannity (boy, is he whimpy. Rush at least has some gusto and humor. Hannity is boring.)
But I never hear Daily Kos or Move On on the radio. I have heard Eddie Schultz a couple times, and he is so damn dumb I figured he must be a Republican plant. I was so ashamed of what came out of his mouth I darn near converted to Republicanism on spot.
I know Move On is a fund raiser for liberal causes. And I know Daily Kos is an internet blog, but between this site and Girls Gone Wild, I don't have time to go anywhere else.
This has come up before, but really, I don't know anyone personally that pays any attention to political blogs, Democrat or Republican. Rush gets a lot listeners, but even he is largely background noise with most folks. And after Rush,well, there is no one after Rush, not even close.
Whatever news I get, I get from the Mpls. Tribune, the NY Times on line (when I read it), The Atlantic, and NPR. And here. And Girls Gone Wild.
Paul
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 25, 2008 23:13:28 GMT -5
I never said I didn't know they existed. The fact that I am fully aware of O'Reilly's and Hannity's opinions of those groups proves that. I just said I've never seen or read or heard anything from them first hand. Everything, and I mean everything I have ever heard about either moveon or kos came from someone on the right. So if they played this huge role in the election, why did a political junkie like myself ever hear from them directly? The reason I reacted the way I did to Chili is he seems to be stuck on the snark button regarding anything relating to Obama or especially Hillary. I swear I thought the man would cry when she lost the primary as it went against everything he believed in for eight years. Kos and moveon have to be consulted? No more than Rush or Hannity. You would think he would be happy. Paul is. I am. Most people I know like Gates. I liked him when he was President of Texas A&M. If I didn't think he was doing the nation a better service where he is I would still be pissed Bush stole him away from A&M to go run the Defense Department. I guess it was the price to pay for saying goodbye to Rumsfeld.
So yeah, I know they exist. I know they exist the same way I know skinheads exist and the Klan exists and code pink and the American Nazi Party and the Bob Dylan Fan Club exists. They are out there I'm sure but I don't know what they say and I don't care and I really wonder why anyone does since their ability to make a difference seem completely blown out of proportion.
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Post by epaul on Nov 25, 2008 23:16:04 GMT -5
Hold on., partner. Snarky responses? Where was the original snark?
Obama makes a respected and wise pick in Gates, and Bill's response is, "Ohh, what is Obama's master going to say?"
You call the snark.
Bill made a snark post, and he got snarked back. Thread life is simple.
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Post by epaul on Nov 25, 2008 23:18:03 GMT -5
I went for two, with the quote, because it became apparent to me that Paul S. thought you were referring to him as condescending (which is why he repeated his post with a delicate cough)
I edited it back down to one as quick as I could.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2008 23:23:52 GMT -5
The cool thing about Chili is that he sets these threads up with those one-liners and never shows up again!
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 25, 2008 23:37:41 GMT -5
This thread depresses me and pisses me off. It's hard to tell which reaction is stronger.
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Post by millring on Nov 26, 2008 0:02:36 GMT -5
This thread depresses me and pisses me off. It's hard to tell which reaction is stronger. Was it the corral/cattle thing? ...'cause I could change it to sheep. It's not the usual metaphor, but with enough imagination it could still work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2008 0:45:46 GMT -5
Well.... here I am. You may be right, MP. More often than not I see many of these threads descending into unnecessary insults of the personal nature with no sensible outcome in sight. My sources are often questioned, deemed contemptable, or completely blown off.... and I can live with that. One liners? Yep... use them quite often. It seems like many of my comments, that go to any length, are taken personal or over analyzed to the point of missing my point. So short and to the point has become my MO. Moveon.org (founded, funded, and steered by George Soros) and the dailykoz are no big secret neither are their political or social objectives. A little research thru a variety of sites will most likely reveal more than you really want to know and/or are willing to believe. One of the founders of the dailykoz, at their annual press meeting, said, "we know that all Republicans are scumbags." Well gee.... I should have known that but I was so enthralled with all those saintly Democrats that I lost track of the "evil ones." Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, and Frank don't even need restrooms..... a team of white doves comes to carry their precious bowel movements away on pure white linen. Oops! Got carried away myself on that one. Remember the full page ad "General Betrayus" in the NY Times? And what was the source for this ad? MoveOn.org!!! This was before General Petraeus had even testified before congress. This seemed to have been a theme throughout the Democratic side of congress. They also called him a liar and said he couldn't be believed. This after he had been unanimously approved by the Senate. Again... this was before his testimony and even before his return to D.C.. They declared the surge to be a failure less than a month after it had begun. OK.... *open mouth.... insert foot!* Now... feel free to pick this post apart too. Honestly.... I can take it. ;D
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Post by TDR on Nov 26, 2008 0:53:41 GMT -5
I recall gates saying he did not intend to stay on after the change of administrations. Someone must have done some persuading to get him to agree.
You have to wonder what moves into the vacuum left when we exit Iraq. And much we must spend and how long we must stay in Afghanistan to keep it from falling to the wolves.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 26, 2008 1:49:08 GMT -5
Chili, what does any of that have to do with Obama deciding to ask Gates to stay on as Sec of Defense? Seriously? What?
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Post by paulschlimm on Nov 26, 2008 2:42:52 GMT -5
Paul,
Nah - I re-posted to try and re-rail this thread. I failed.
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2008 3:13:09 GMT -5
Not a lot, Tramp. I was trying to give a better picture of moveon.org and dailykoz, backing up my earlier post. They were both major sources of support for Obama's bid for election to the Oval Office. I don't know how obligated he may think he is or isn't but I'm sure they'll be expecting him to live up to some of his leftward leaning promises. I'm guessing he'll be calling the shots a bit different than what they expect.
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Post by omaha on Nov 26, 2008 8:43:25 GMT -5
Chili, what does any of that have to do with Obama deciding to ask Gates to stay on as Sec of Defense? Seriously? What? Remember how the derision poured down like rain when I've posted over the last few weeks how Obama's sycophantic supporters can't not be disappointed by the reality of his administration? That's what.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 26, 2008 9:15:25 GMT -5
Thing is, we don't have to be poised like snakes, or even remotely prepared for opportunity, because the Republican fringe wackos have prime time TV shows and multiple best sellers on the NY Times book list and nationally-sindicated radio shows. The Republicans love their wackos. They mainstream them, celebrate them, make them wealthy, take them seriously. Ours typically stay on the fringe and most of us are barely aware of them.
Do we pick at your wackos? You bet. But God, you make it easy.
Tim
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Post by PaulKay on Nov 26, 2008 9:18:16 GMT -5
Chili, what does any of that have to do with Obama deciding to ask Gates to stay on as Sec of Defense? Seriously? What? Remember how the derision poured down like rain when I've posted over the last few weeks how Obama's sycophantic supporters can't not be disappointed by the reality of his administration? That's what. Then they must have been sleeping when he said he was going to build bipartisan support. This is the promise I expect him to keep and so far so good. For those who thought this was the promise he'd break...well, too bad for them then. The fact that he let lieberman keep his chairmanship should have been an early clue.
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Post by timfarney on Nov 26, 2008 9:25:22 GMT -5
Chili, what does any of that have to do with Obama deciding to ask Gates to stay on as Sec of Defense? Seriously? What? Remember how the derision poured down like rain when I've posted over the last few weeks how Obama's sycophantic supporters can't not be disappointed by the reality of his administration? That's what. Omaha, you used his appointment of Clintonites as an example of disappointment and now you're using his retention of a Bushie as an example of disappointment. I think, perhaps, what is pouring down is your own expectations, being fulfilled by whatever happens. Tim
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Post by omaha on Nov 26, 2008 10:30:31 GMT -5
No, Tim, I never referred to the Clintonites. You did. I slapped you down then, and I'll do it again. That's not what I said.
Here's the simple truth: Obama made a bunch of promises to the radical left (like getting out of Iraq immediately) that he not only can not keep, but probably never intended to keep. What remains to be seen is the political fallout from that deception.
One thing that appears clear right now is that Obama is setting up an administration that is dramatically more conservative than the House (which signaled its hand when it replaced Dingle with Waxman).
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