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Post by Russell Letson on Mar 1, 2015 17:01:17 GMT -5
What you mean "we," monkey-man?
(Not that I can opt out of monkeykind, but some of us monkeys take considerable pains to compensate for the less desirable kinds of monkey traits. 'swhy the Church invented guilt and examination of conscience and wives and such. Well, wives invented themselves.)
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Post by millring on Mar 1, 2015 17:30:27 GMT -5
You cannot exclude yourself. That's the rules. Gravity isn't avoided just because you learn to fly.
Now quit hogging the bananas.
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 1, 2015 18:04:20 GMT -5
Would anyone challenge the fact that a free press is an absolutely critical part of any democracy? Has the press ever been freer? Unembellished information is everywhere. And one can find opinions ranging from authoritative to crackpot (however you define those terms) on virtually any subject with a simple click of a mouse. Choose your poison, it's all available. The sniping over O'Rielly and Madcow simply comes down to style points with no practical impact one way or another.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 1, 2015 18:49:52 GMT -5
I get most of my news off the financial channels. Although CNBC is an NBC station, since it's dealing in money and money is the root..., it's pretty straight new-wise. The Soundhole is a good place to get headlines that may need some investigation on any given day. At least I generally get the hot topics here, unless there's something good about a Republican but I can get that from Fox or Facebook if I want.
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 1, 2015 20:00:59 GMT -5
I just wrote a brilliant analysis of broadcast news media, but it was abruptly taken up by the Internet Rapture and is probably now on its way to digital heaven, or hell, I won’t pretend to be the best judge of that. Basically: Watch CNN for about as objective (and thorough) coverage of breaking news as can be found on TV, but tune into Fox and MSNBC to see the best, if sometimes most virulent, arguments (or spin) each side can put up for its take on that news – which is generally pretty predictable in its general direction. Then you'll have heard it three times - first relatively straightforwardly, and second and third through the filters of people who make a lot of money interpreting stuff. Then you should be in a good position to make up your own mind - very much like a judge or jury that has heard the best case that can be made for each side of a legal case. For extra credit, read something. My go-to print media for news backgrounders and historical perspective, despite what I believe to be innate and usually unconscious bias on much of what they cover, are still The New York Times and The Washington Post From what I've seen of the Economist, it also is probably worth reading for the same reason
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 1, 2015 20:03:06 GMT -5
The Rapture now seems to be targeting punctuation.
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 1, 2015 20:03:39 GMT -5
PS: I think the word everyone is searching for with regard to Rachel Maddow is "snarky."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 20:20:16 GMT -5
The words people are searching for with regard to O'Reilly are "lying, feculent crud-weasel"
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 1, 2015 20:49:34 GMT -5
I am definitely stealing that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 20:53:14 GMT -5
Feel free, I did!
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Post by Russell Letson on Mar 1, 2015 23:55:56 GMT -5
The words people are searching for with regard to O'Reilly are "lying, feculent crud-weasel" As a son of a blue-collar one-time Navy CPO, I'd prefer "shit-weasel"--with apologies to actual working weasels everywhere. (Dad wouldn't have used "feculent," but he would have appreciated it once he'd looked it up, which he would have.)
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Post by frazer on Mar 2, 2015 0:08:24 GMT -5
We're so genteel where I'm from. We say "I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss".
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Post by majorminor on Mar 2, 2015 12:21:02 GMT -5
Hey - weasels have feelings too you guys!
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Post by Russell Letson on Mar 2, 2015 13:16:50 GMT -5
I try to be fair to creatures of different species, especially the ones with nice fur or cute young, no matter what their dining or territory-marking habits. Thus where some might use "shit-weasel," I opt for the anthropo-anatomical "shit-heel." It has the additional virtue of carrying an optional obscure Faulkner reference. Though it's hard to beat "tom-catting around" as a description of some human-male pseudo-courting behavior.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Mar 2, 2015 14:45:23 GMT -5
Russell, while I understand your inclination to compare O'rielly to excrement, I feel duty bound to remind you that excrement has a purpose.
Mike
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Post by Russell Letson on Mar 2, 2015 15:06:31 GMT -5
I have a monkey-troupe theory of social dynamics and distribution of personality types that says that we need even the assholes and shit-heels--sort of in line with Frost's picture of community in "The Star-Splitter." Though I also have a competing theory that shit-heelery and such represent pathological inversions or hypertrophied versions of otherwise useful traits. That's the Aristotlean influence I can't seem to shake. Too much Aquinas and Dante, I suppose. But they were pretty smart monkeys.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 3, 2015 8:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by factorychef on Mar 3, 2015 9:01:42 GMT -5
I feel so much better now.
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Post by frazer on Mar 3, 2015 20:16:39 GMT -5
Thanks for that, Bruce. So by O'Reilly's logic, I remember when I became the first person to set foot on the moon after I saw a photograph of Neil Armstrong becoming the first person to set foot on the moon. Now I'm remembering a lot of other stuff. Remind me to tell you sometime about when I played on stage with Dylan.
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Post by millring on Mar 3, 2015 21:20:40 GMT -5
Remind me to tell you sometime about when I played on stage with Dylan. Wise choice when he let you take the chorus on "The Night We Called It A Day".
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