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Post by aquaduct on Oct 1, 2018 10:41:00 GMT -5
So are we thinking the 1 week pause is just for show and he gets confirmed or is this the pause that let's the shitstorm continue to build to intolerable levels and he gets cut loose? I think Democrats are humiliating themselves. He'll be in by the end of the week.
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Post by Marshall on Oct 1, 2018 10:41:30 GMT -5
So are we thinking the 1 week pause is just for show and he gets confirmed or is this the pause that let's the shitstorm continue to build to intolerable levels and he gets cut loose? Trump should pull the nomination and get somebody else in. If this drags out, the republicans won't get a conservative judge in before the elections. And it could further yet affect the outcome of the mid term elections. Though, really all the hub-bub is on the urban left of the country. Fever pitch. But that doesn't represent the rural red crowd. And, in fact will likely fire up their ire more with the urban left. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Who knows?
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Post by Marshall on Oct 1, 2018 10:48:42 GMT -5
It's all about suburban soccer moms. Women I talk to believe Dr Ford. But I don't see anybody changing their political allegiances over any of this. It's just Theater of the Absurd.
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Post by millring on Oct 1, 2018 11:31:29 GMT -5
So are we thinking the 1 week pause is just for show and he gets confirmed or is this the pause that let's the shitstorm continue to build to intolerable levels and he gets cut loose? The latter. The Republicans already lost. When Lindsay Graham blew up it was because he got it. The Republicans got out-maneuvered.
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Post by majorminor on Oct 1, 2018 11:43:38 GMT -5
So are we thinking the 1 week pause is just for show and he gets confirmed or is this the pause that let's the shitstorm continue to build to intolerable levels and he gets cut loose? The latter. The Republicans already lost. When Lindsay Graham blew up it was because he got it. The Republicans got out-maneuvered. That's kind of what I think too. There will be a postponement or a call for more time and the stew will continue to boil with the clock ticking to seat a conservative judge. They'll cut bait IMO
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 1, 2018 11:47:53 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Oct 1, 2018 13:02:09 GMT -5
A word.. I'm thinking of a word... what is it...ah..., yes...plausible. That's word I wanted. Plausible.
That boing thing is plausible.
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Post by theevan on Oct 1, 2018 13:13:38 GMT -5
Now that Consider-the-Source Russell is on this page, I want to ask if we have considered the common source, and careful coach, of these hazy, undocumented, uncorroborated accusations.
A porn lawyer.
This has nothing, zero to do with Kavanaugh's past and has everything to do with Roe v Wade.
Distract, delay, distract, delay, distract, delay, distract, delay. Forget the actual process.
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Post by theevan on Oct 1, 2018 13:23:21 GMT -5
Right. There's the dispassionate analysis in a nutshell. But this circus is not about these allegations. They are just the vehicle of choice for reaching the goal.
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Post by millring on Oct 1, 2018 13:33:19 GMT -5
Right. There's the dispassionate analysis in a nutshell. But this circus is not about these allegations. They are just the vehicle of choice for reaching the goal. But you cannot beat the Washington press corp.
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Post by millring on Oct 1, 2018 13:34:11 GMT -5
....or a Senate glued to social media.
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 1, 2018 13:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by Chesapeake on Oct 1, 2018 14:09:09 GMT -5
Now here's a fine how-do-you-do. Both the left and right wings of this form are gloomily predicting a loss for their side.
EDIT: Well, except for Peter.
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Post by theevan on Oct 1, 2018 14:13:59 GMT -5
Now here's a fine how-do-you-do. Both the left and right wings of this form are gloomily predicting a loss for their side. EDIT: Well, except for Peter. As a member of the lamented (and lamentable) Know-Nothing (No-Nothing?) Party, I declare for nomination. At least I hope so. If this process is allowed to have its way, God only knows what is next.
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Post by brucemacneill on Oct 1, 2018 14:20:09 GMT -5
I'm still holding out hope he gets through the senate. The Democrats are showing their true faces, war faces, ugly faces. Evan's right about what this is about. The other things about Kavanaugh's previous positions on the topics Russell mentions are just a smoke screen. His comments on those were taken out of context when he was answering rhetorical questions back in the 90s. With luck we'll see some real fireworks when he's sworn in.
Did anyone watch Trump's response to the reporter after his trade agreement press conference this morning? He was brilliant.
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Post by Chesapeake on Oct 1, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me most about Kavanaugh isn't the Roe v. Wade issue, though that does bother me. What bothers me most is the devotion he has shown toward strengthening presidential powers. There was a massive public reaction to the aggrandizement of those powers during an era that's come to be called the Imperial Presidency (per Arthur Schlesinger's book), culminating in the Nixon era, when Congress set about to rein in those powers, for example by passing the 1973 War Powers Act, and the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Over the following decades, leading up to today, the balance once again has been shifting back toward the White House - partly through dereliction of duties on Capitol Hill. From what I've seen about Kavanaugh's political philosophy, I gather he is fully on board with this trend back toward executive imperialism, and would materially add to it at every opportunity - and that is exactly why Trump nominated him.
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Post by TKennedy on Oct 1, 2018 14:28:01 GMT -5
The slow trickle of former college buddies that is now coming forth disputing his representation of himself when drinking is what may be his downfall.
With the described drunken persona coming out It becomes very obvious he could have done the deed, not remembered what was a gnat on the windshield and gone on with his life. Judge as well.
Just like my deceased best friend who was a brilliant personal injury lawyer said to me once, “It’s usually not the deed that sinks the defendant, it’s exposing the cover up”.
He can still have an Opra moment, man up and be honest about his drinking and the culture in HS and college and admit the incident could have happened and been forgotten. He can then apologize if it did, testify that he grew out of it as most of us did and apologize for trying to sugar coat that part of his youth. I think it could still work if heartfelt.
If he does not do that and still gets appointed this affair will remain a stain on his persona the rest of his life. It really boils down to not having the character to admit to flawed behavior and apologize for it and that is a big deal for most people.
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Post by millring on Oct 1, 2018 14:31:09 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me most about Kavanaugh isn't the Roe v. Wade issue, though that does bother me. What bothers me most is the devotion he has shown toward strengthening presidential powers. There was a massive public reaction to the aggrandizement of those powers during an era that's come to be called the Imperial Presidency (per Arthur Schlesinger's book), culminating in the Nixon era, when Congress set about to rein in those powers, for example by passing the 1973 War Powers Act, and the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Over the following decades, leading up to today, the balance once again has been shifting back toward the White House - partly through dereliction of duties on Capitol Hill. From what I've seen about Kavanaugh's political philosophy, I gather he is fully on board with this trend back toward executive imperialism, and would materially add to it at every opportunity - and that is exactly why Trump nominated him. Well then, you should embrace him, right? It's conservatives who wish: 1. the balance of power away from the executive, 2. A congress that sets law and policy, and 3. A supreme court subservient to the constitution.
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Post by millring on Oct 1, 2018 14:42:51 GMT -5
If he does not do that and still gets appointed this affair will remain a stain on his persona the rest of his life. We've come down to this point. There isn't anything he could do that would satisfy those who don't want him now. It's a lesson that the Republicans will probably never learn -- that they will never win the admiration of Democrats unless they become Democrats. They will always be the villains in our entertainment media. They will always be the bad guys in our schools. And as the Democrats get more and more antifa and "Democratic Socialist" in their attack, it's going to become increasingly dangerous to be Republican. The Jeff Flake/CNN set-up in the elevator was no accident. The Republicans have been tantalized by the football of friendship and respect over and over again, only to have it pulled back every time. No compromise has ever gained them anything but the perception of lacking the character to stand by their promises and represent their constituents. In other words, the "stain on his persona the rest of his life" that you mention? It was a fait accompli the instant he was nominated by a Republican president. Scalia had no such scandal in his past. He was reviled. Republicans have to simply get used to that. Their goal should be to better the country. That should be enough.
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Post by TKennedy on Oct 1, 2018 14:50:22 GMT -5
I’d forgive him for it if heartfelt. I must admit however I had difficulty forgiving Bill Clinton and Lance Armstrong.
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