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Post by james on May 18, 2020 22:23:53 GMT -5
"Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant" is not a James Madison quote. There is no source. The language is 'off' and the sense of it is kind of stupid. I was reading about Madison's remarks to the 1788 Virginia convention to ratify the constitution in an article earlier.
"In 1788, James Madison stood before the state of Virginia’s convention to ratify the U.S. Constitution and issued a warning about the future of American democracy. An overthrow, the Founding Father said, was less likely to happen through a violent takeover than “by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power.”"
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Post by aquaduct on May 19, 2020 4:10:20 GMT -5
"Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant" is not a James Madison quote. There is no source. The language is 'off' and the sense of it is kind of stupid. I was reading about Madison's remarks to the 1788 Virginia convention to ratify the constitution in an article earlier. "In 1788, James Madison stood before the state of Virginia’s convention to ratify the U.S. Constitution and issued a warning about the future of American democracy. An overthrow, the Founding Father said, was less likely to happen through a violent takeover than “by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power.”" Fixed it.
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Post by fauxmaha on May 19, 2020 11:20:49 GMT -5
Cogent comments from Fareed Zakaria:
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Post by Marshall on May 19, 2020 12:28:35 GMT -5
Yeah.
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Post by james on May 19, 2020 16:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on May 19, 2020 17:25:17 GMT -5
James, I found that helpful. Thanks.
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Post by billhammond on May 20, 2020 6:38:17 GMT -5
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Post by TKennedy on May 20, 2020 8:03:43 GMT -5
Folks are sticking their toes in the water. It’s inevitable and as it becomes more common we’ll start getting a better feel for what works and what doesn’t. I’ve become fatigued with being judgmental.
I have a grandson who should be starting college this fall and I am wondering if taking a year off might be a better plan. So much of college is a wonderful coming of age experience where the combination the academic and social environments make it such a great time in most young people’s life.
Without traditional class dynamics, sports, packed bars and dorms, etc. I wonder if you are really getting any kind of bang for the big bucks?
Anyone else here have kids or grandkids headed to college or as teachers have any thoughts or advice?
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Post by theevan on May 20, 2020 8:57:22 GMT -5
Nobody was compelled to attend. I guess they weighed things and decided to go. Costco will not allow entry without a mask and they enforce distancing. Their right. Nobody is compelled to shop there. Personally, I'm over all of this madness, but I observe distancing and mask up for the sake of others who might feel threatened by my bodily presence. Everybody has an angle. I guess that's mine.
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Post by aquaduct on May 21, 2020 8:03:29 GMT -5
What if the government has it wrong -- on the medicine and the law?
What if face masks can’t stop the COVID-19 virus? What if quarantining the healthy makes no medical sense? What if staying at home for months reduces immunity?
What if more people have been infected with the virus in their homes than outside them?
What if there are as many credible scientists and physicians who disagree with the government as those who agree with it? What if the government chooses to listen only to scientists and physicians who would tell it what it wanted to hear? What if the government silences scientists and physicians, and even fires one, who attempt to tell it what it didn’t want to hear?
What if the government wants to stoke fear in the populace because mass fear produces mass compliance? What if individual fear reduces individual immunity?
What if a healthy immunity gets stronger when challenged? What if a pampered immunity gets weaker when challenged? What if we all pass germs and viruses -- that we don’t even know we have -- on to others all the time, but their immune systems repel what we pass on to them?
What if the COVID-19 virus has run its course and run into natural immunities? What if many folks have had symptom-free episodes with many viruses and are now immune from them? What if the government refuses to understand this because it undermines the government’s power to control us?
What if government orders to nursing homes and assisted living facilities to accept the sick and contagious are insane? What if the same government that micromanages nursing homes and assisted living facilities knows that they are not hospitals and are not equipped to cure the sick or contain contagion?
What if the government makes health care decisions not on the basis of medicine or human nature but statistics? What if reliance on the government’s statistics has made many folks sick?
What if we’d all be healthier and happier if we make our own choices with our own physicians rather than the government making choices for us? What if it is un-American for the government to tell you how to care for yourself? What if it is equally un-American for you to follow the government when it intrudes into your personal choices?
What if the Supreme Court has ruled many times that your health care decisions are private, personal and to be made between you and your physician? What if the Supreme Court has also ruled many times that your private health care decisions are none of the government’s business?
What if we never elected a government to keep us free from all viruses, but we did elect it to keep us free from all tyrants? What if the government -- which can’t deliver the mail, fill potholes, stop robocalls, or spend within its income -- is the last entity on earth into whose hands we would voluntarily repose our health for safekeeping? What if the government won’t admit that its understanding of science is colored by politics?
What if the government has misunderstood its mandate? What if the government thinks it can do its job by keeping us safe but unfree? What if -- according to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence -- government’s first duty is to safeguard our rights? What if there is no legal basis for the government to keep us at home or to close our businesses?
What if the government gave itself the power to interfere with our personal choices? What if that self-imposed power violates the basic constitutional principle that the government derives its powers from the consent of the governed? What if no one consented to a government that interferes with our personal choices? What if our personal choices to take personal chances have never needed a government permission slip?
What if the Constitution was written to restrain the government? What if all in government -- local, state and federal -- have taken an oath to uphold and comply with the Constitution?
What if the government decrees that liquor sales are essential but clothing sales are not? What if the government decrees that abortions are essential but orthopedic surgery is not? What if the government decrees that music stores are essential but the free exercise of religion is not?
What if these decisions about what is essential and inessential are for individuals -- and not for the government -- to make?
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Post by factorychef on May 21, 2020 8:22:03 GMT -5
Heard that from the judge on Fox this morning.
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Post by AlanC on May 21, 2020 8:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on May 21, 2020 8:27:36 GMT -5
Heard that from the judge on Fox this morning. That's where my wife heard it, too. Great points.
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Post by factorychef on May 21, 2020 8:31:19 GMT -5
I'll wear a mask when I'm out and about.
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Post by majorminor on May 21, 2020 8:34:13 GMT -5
After no deaths and no cases for awhile in our county we had a flair up of 6 cases confirmed yesterday just up the road. 1 Hospitalized, 5 tested positive at home quarantined, and they are chasing down all known contacts so the fox is in the hen house. All worked at the clubhouse restaurant for the local private rich people golf course subdivision and all that is being reported is that transmission is "travel related"
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Post by aquaduct on May 21, 2020 8:43:03 GMT -5
I'll wear a mask when I'm out and about. Nobody's stopping you.
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Post by fauxmaha on May 21, 2020 8:58:07 GMT -5
“They don't mean to do harm—but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it. Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” - T.S. Elliot
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Post by millring on May 21, 2020 9:10:30 GMT -5
I wonder if there is any course the virus or our response to it might take that would ever change a significant number of minds as to whether we didn't do enough or did too much?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 9:19:23 GMT -5
“They don't mean to do harm—but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it. Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” - T.S. Elliot \ “ Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”
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Post by millring on May 21, 2020 9:31:23 GMT -5
"...think well of themselves."
Or, turned so as to look at a different facet of the same phenomenon: When faced with weak and failing epistemology(s), and no information source that can be trusted, all that is left for the reassurance that what one believes is right is the number of people who can be convinced to -- if not believe the same thing -- at least act as though they do.
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