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Post by Village Idiot on May 27, 2020 18:09:41 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has shared these comments by North Dakota's Governor Burgum. “I would really love to see in North Dakota that we could just skip this thing that other parts of the nation are going through, where they are creating a divide either ideological or political or something around mask versus no mask," Burgum said. "This is a, I would say, senseless dividing line and I would ask people to try to dial up your empathy and your understanding." Burgum got emotional as he continued. "If someone is wearing a mask, they're not doing it to represent what political party they're in or what candidates they support; they might be doing it because they have a 5-year-old child who has been going through cancer treatments," Burgum said, pausing to collect himself. "They might have. . . ," Burgum started before, again, pausing to collect himself, "vulnerable adults in their life who currently have Covid and are fighting. So, again, I would just love to see our state, as part of being North Dakota smart, also be North Dakota kind, North Dakota empathetic." It's certainly cute. The whole petty tyrant thing about how we should all come together around whatever it is I believe. Sweet. And the whole tears thing. Completely ungenuine. But certainly weepy. Nice job douche bag. Of course nobody's going to really consider the lives destroyed for your little shit show. But then, they didn't matter to begin with did they? Hey, great job. Hope you're proud. This is your moment in history. Hope it fucking haunts you for the rest of your useless life. Peter, why would you say something like that? No one is expecting you to like the governor of North Dakota, or to respect what he said. But it is possible to explain your thoughts while leaving things like "petty tyrant", "douche bag", "little shit show" and "Hope it fucking haunts you for the rest of your useless life" out of it. I'm not moderating here, I'm simply asking you, as a forum member, to back off a bit on your tone. It would be appreciated by many. Thank you.
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Post by Cornflake on May 27, 2020 21:10:48 GMT -5
I think there's a lot to be cheerful about on this front. The reopening in Georgia, which the President deemed premature, hasn't caused a big spike of infections there, which is good news. Every state that had closed businesses has now reopened them at least in part, if I understand correctly. The numbers aren't great everywhere but they're not awful.
Here, I've heard a lot of people expressing dismay at how many people seem to be acting like it's all over, which it obviously isn't. I think that kind of overreaction is more or less inevitable.
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Post by epaul on May 27, 2020 23:04:06 GMT -5
I guess, other than wearing a mask when I go in a store, I'm back to normal doing normal stuff normally and have been for the last several weeks. It was a lot easier to sequester when it wasn't so darn nice out. Of course, my normal activity is probably indistinguishable from someone else's shutting it all down.
(I've signed on to the virus-killing long sunny days with plenty of UV rays with the concurrent vitamin D production on the home front means you are good to go camp)
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on May 28, 2020 8:38:19 GMT -5
Fresh numbers, hit off the press.
More Americans have died from Covid than from Vietnam and Korean wars combined.
6% of those tested positive have died.
Unemployment rate for April is slightly over 14%,
Have a nice day.
Mike
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Post by majorminor on May 28, 2020 8:44:11 GMT -5
6% of those tested positive have died. Source or quick summary of the math? Not arguing, but it's amazing how little consensus there seems to be regarding the mortality rate of Covid. I went looking for the US rate a few days ago and CDC said something like 1.3%
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on May 28, 2020 8:49:04 GMT -5
6% of those tested positive have died. Source or quick summary of the math? Not arguing, but it's amazing how little consensus there seems to be regarding the mortality rate of Covid. I went looking for the US rate a few days ago and CDC said something like 1.3% From the local morning NBC news affiliate. I’ve no doubt the actual number is lower, as the qualifier is those who have tested positive, and there are apparently large numbers of asymptimatic carriers who are not tested, but that’s what they reported. Mike
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Post by aquaduct on May 28, 2020 8:56:23 GMT -5
6% of those tested positive have died. Source or quick summary of the math? Not arguing, but it's amazing how little consensus there seems to be regarding the mortality rate of Covid. I went looking for the US rate a few days ago and CDC said something like 1.3% Something over the weekend said CDC actually said less than 0.2% and getting lower as more are tested.
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Post by Cornflake on May 28, 2020 9:23:28 GMT -5
The death totals matter to me. I can't see what difference the death rate makes.
Paul, you remind me that we're not all seeing the same thing. I'm in an urban area where social distancing is more important and more difficult. Arizona had 479 new cases and 24 new deaths yesterday and most of that was in Phoenix. It's not all over.
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Post by epaul on May 28, 2020 9:32:23 GMT -5
I don't know where this is all going, but I do know where it started... The Major went to a bathroom in Seattle 125 pages ago.
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Post by Cornflake on May 28, 2020 9:56:57 GMT -5
"I don't know where this is all going, but I do know where it started... The Major went to a bathroom in Seattle 125 pages ago."
Don't think I've forgotten. Some kind of payback is in order.
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Post by aquaduct on May 28, 2020 10:02:01 GMT -5
It's certainly cute. The whole petty tyrant thing about how we should all come together around whatever it is I believe. Sweet. And the whole tears thing. Completely ungenuine. But certainly weepy. Nice job douche bag. Of course nobody's going to really consider the lives destroyed for your little shit show. But then, they didn't matter to begin with did they? Hey, great job. Hope you're proud. This is your moment in history. Hope it fucking haunts you for the rest of your useless life. Peter, why would you say something like that? No one is expecting you to like the governor of North Dakota, or to respect what he said. But it is possible to explain your thoughts while leaving things like "petty tyrant", "douche bag", "little shit show" and "Hope it fucking haunts you for the rest of your useless life" out of it. I'm not moderating here, I'm simply asking you, as a forum member, to back off a bit on your tone. It would be appreciated by many. Thank you. OK, I'm sorry. But officials like this and all the other folks who for some reason seem to think they own the world and can boss everyone around because, you know, well, they're scared of their own shadow (and can afford to be being largely without anything better to do) should try to purchase a little humility. No, we are not all in this together. If we were they'd try to understand others instead of just griping endlessly about how others are not behaving to their standards. Our Governor Ralphie has now decided 3 MONTHS IN that we all need to wear masks when outside of our homes starting tomorrow. It's apparently become CRUCIAL that I have a mask on when walking my dog. Seriously. I guess we'll see if any of the locals actually buy in enough to try and force the issue. So far it hasn't mattered a whit. Where did 2 weeks to flatten the curve turn into endless fascism? How is that accomplished? Maybe you and all the others who liked your post can explain that BS. OK, maybe I'm not so sorry.
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Post by majorminor on May 28, 2020 10:06:26 GMT -5
I can't see what difference the death rate makes. Risk assessment. Life is pretty much like a hand of blackjack after all.
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Post by millring on May 28, 2020 10:40:52 GMT -5
I can't see what difference the death rate makes. Risk assessment. Life is pretty much like a hand of blackjack after all.
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Post by Cornflake on May 28, 2020 11:55:12 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not arguing, but it doesn't seem to me that knowing the death rate helps with risk assessment. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by howard lee on May 28, 2020 12:06:03 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not arguing, but it doesn't seem to me that knowing the death rate helps with risk assessment. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by majorminor on May 28, 2020 12:09:48 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not arguing, but it doesn't seem to me that knowing the death rate helps with risk assessment. Maybe I'm missing something. Well maybe I'm missing something. For me personally I generally like to have a sense of that mortality rate. I make different decisions about work, life, travel, politics, and bequeathing guitars to Millring if I think or know I stand say a 50% chance of dying if I get Covid vs a 1.4% chance. It seems like an obviously important number to me? I get that KNOWING it is difficult but I totally get wanting to know it.
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Post by aquaduct on May 28, 2020 12:13:56 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not arguing, but it doesn't seem to me that knowing the death rate helps with risk assessment. Maybe I'm missing something. In this country 2.85 million people will die this year regardless of COVID. On the other hand some 35 million people are now unemployed without any means of supporting themselves or their families, and with all the truly frightening social costs. That's pretty much all you need to know about risk assessment.
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Post by Cornflake on May 28, 2020 12:30:34 GMT -5
"I make different decisions about work, life, travel, politics, and bequeathing guitars to Millring if I think or know I stand say a 50% chance of dying if I get Covid vs a 1.4% chance." Okay, I get it. We're all in different situations and the death rate figure doesn't tell me anything useful about the level of risk to me or my wife if we get infected. It's probably a more useful guide to you.
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Post by aquaduct on May 28, 2020 12:41:34 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not arguing, but it doesn't seem to me that knowing the death rate helps with risk assessment. Maybe I'm missing something. Well maybe I'm missing something. For me personally I generally like to have a sense of that mortality rate. I make different decisions about work, life, travel, politics, and bequeathing guitars to Millring if I think or know I stand say a 50% chance of dying if I get Covid vs a 1.4% chance. It seems like an obviously important number to me? I get that KNOWING it is difficult but I totally get wanting to know it. Well hell, I'll make up some statistics like everyone else if it gets Millring more guitars.
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Post by Marshall on May 28, 2020 14:50:51 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not arguing, but it doesn't seem to me that knowing the death rate helps with risk assessment. Maybe I'm missing something. In this country 2.85 million people will die this year regardless of COVID. On the other hand some 35 million people are now unemployed without any means of supporting themselves or their families, and with all the truly frightening social costs. That's pretty much all you need to know about risk assessment. That's a big tragedy, for sure. The hospitals are able to handle the COVID levels they're seeing. The curve has been flattened. We've got to get things moving again soon, or there will be a bigger hell to pay.
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