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Post by Marshall on Apr 10, 2020 22:11:20 GMT -5
Finger-picking in the time of pandemic. (Warning: contains political message that some viewers might find disturbing. Just try to enjoy the music.) She's using aLaska picks. Imagine that. Great advertisement for them. A little too much chatter and not enough music. But it is excellently shot and produced. She seems to have a worried look on her face. Wrinkled brow. But nice. Nice white teeth, too.
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Post by james on Apr 10, 2020 22:58:27 GMT -5
Lovely Martin too.
This seems a good idea -
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Post by epaul on Apr 10, 2020 23:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 11, 2020 1:52:26 GMT -5
The second wave in 1918--the autumn following the first, earlier that year:
If there actually is a seasonal/summer lull, will something similar happen again?
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Post by frazer on Apr 11, 2020 3:04:34 GMT -5
Finger-picking in the time of pandemic. (Warning: contains political message that some viewers might find disturbing. Just try to enjoy the music.) I never really clicked with Joan Baez (nothing to do with her politics), but man, THAT is a sweet looking guitar!
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2020 5:42:55 GMT -5
This is why my head explodes at "fact checking" sites. And from this Snopes judges that "The US refused WHO tests" was a "mixture" of true and false. It's not a mixture of true and false. If the US did not turn down an offer (that was never extended) then the US did not refuse WHO tests, and the claim by the US press that it did refuse them is unequivocally false.
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 11, 2020 6:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 11, 2020 7:42:12 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2020 8:21:20 GMT -5
omg. Could there BE anything more purposefully deceptive than to compare it to one month of flu?
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2020 8:44:01 GMT -5
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Post by james on Apr 11, 2020 10:50:56 GMT -5
This is why my head explodes at "fact checking" sites. And from this Snopes judges that "The US refused WHO tests" was a "mixture" of true and false. It's not a mixture of true and false. If the US did not turn down an offer (that was never extended) then the US did not refuse WHO tests, and the claim by the US press that it did refuse them is unequivocally false. Snopes have been careful as usual to explain themselves with caveats, qualifications, useful additional information and the use of quotation marks as significant, er...signifiers of their meaning. After several readings of the whole piece I believe that they have made their points fairly, clearly and unambiguously.
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Post by epaul on Apr 11, 2020 11:05:56 GMT -5
In today's mail I received a redundant Census form (I completed it earlier online) which got me thinking, this June may not a good time to be one of those door to door census takers. Which got me thinking, this June could be a really really awful time to be one of those door to door census takers in New York and a bunch of other densely packed cities. Which got me thinking, who the hell is going to be doing it and how will the count be affected.
Will there be a push to postpone/extend the census? Political feathers will fly.
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2020 11:13:21 GMT -5
This is why my head explodes at "fact checking" sites. And from this Snopes judges that "The US refused WHO tests" was a "mixture" of true and false. It's not a mixture of true and false. If the US did not turn down an offer (that was never extended) then the US did not refuse WHO tests, and the claim by the US press that it did refuse them is unequivocally false. Snopes have been careful as usual to explain themselves with caveats, qualifications, useful additional information and the use of quotation marks as significant, er...signifiers of their meaning. After several readings of the whole piece I believe that they have made their points fairly, clearly and unambiguously. So, you think the US refused the WHO tests?
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Post by james on Apr 11, 2020 11:18:50 GMT -5
No. Neither does the Snopes writer.
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2020 11:22:49 GMT -5
Yes, he does. The question -- the single question -- was "Did the US refuse WHO tests?"
Snopes said YES and no.
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Post by james on Apr 11, 2020 11:41:26 GMT -5
Did not.
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Post by millring on Apr 11, 2020 11:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by Russell Letson on Apr 11, 2020 11:53:42 GMT -5
I don't know how the Snopes fact-check could have been clearer. In the headline they put refuse in quotation marks to indicate that as a crucial term. They explicitly indicate that while the WHO test was not adopted here, that was not because there was an offer that was turned down. Instead (and now we're into the detailed narrative) it was the result of a longstanding develop-our-own policy.
I can see that John is annoyed at Snopes' "mixed" icon--but that icon indicates that the original claim contains multiple propositions to be evaluated: 1) did we use the WHO tests? 2) were they offered to us? 3) why (assuming they were available) were they not used? And I can guarantee that each of those intertwined propositions have been seized on by commentators and proponents on all sides, deliberately or sloppily.
It is true that we did not use the WHO tests, not true that we turned down an offer, true that we do as a matter of policy develop our own. What is addressed only indirectly (via Fauchi's statement) is whether that policy was, in hindsight, a good one.
Fact-checking is not a final destination--my own training and experience guarantees that I will read fact-checks with the same attention to detail that I do any account: apply the same semantic analysis, be aware of the same rhetorical machineries, ask the same questions about logic and evidence and sources. What I look for in a fact-check site is that degree of fussiness and transparency of technique (we say X because Y) that I try to apply.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 11, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
"If there actually is a seasonal/summer lull, will something similar happen again?"
From what I've read, pandemics all through history have tended to come in waves. With the bubonic plague the waves extended over centuries. It seems likely that this one will do the same. But all pandemics are different. One expert was quoted as saying when you've seen one pandemic, you've seen one pandemic.
The difference now is that we can expect to develop a vaccine eventually. Until that happens, my working expectation is that normal life isn't coming back for some of us any time soon.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 11, 2020 12:08:17 GMT -5
Yes, he does. The question -- the single question -- was "Did the US refuse WHO tests?" Snopes said YES and no. If you really needed Snopes to answer that, you're probably too stupid to live.
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