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COVID 19
Apr 25, 2020 20:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by majorminor on Apr 25, 2020 20:06:17 GMT -5
One last thought. With all due respect to the medical community and members here did anyone notice the reported 88% mortality rate on those patients put on a respirator in NYC? Turns out the whole world was in a pissing match over something that didn’t work anyway? Recent developments And reporting of circulatory problems and blood clotting and “Covid toes” makes one thinks we are still in early days trying to develop a way to treat this.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 25, 2020 20:48:28 GMT -5
Steve, my sense is that almost all the measurements we see are flawed. It's estimated here by our public health gurus that actual infections are about 10X reported infections, largely because of testing shortages. Trends in the data may be significant, though, even if the data is flawed. The trends are mostly what I watch.
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Post by epaul on Apr 25, 2020 21:00:03 GMT -5
Stay off the Vent. Monitor your oxygen levels. The virus can drop them a week before you become aware they have been dropped, and that week can matter. According to this guy. I have edited it. The complete article can be found in the Minneapolis Tribune and the NT Times and elsewhere by Google.
My Oximeter should be here Tuesday.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 25, 2020 21:02:07 GMT -5
Since that piece appeared, Paul, oximeters have largely sold out.
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Post by epaul on Apr 25, 2020 21:15:14 GMT -5
When I looked, Amazon wasn't shipping until May. I ordered mine from Walmart. Late April delivery. At the time.
Anyone here used one these things?
Anyway, it might be useful to know that the signs of developing lung issues may not be as obvious as you might think. The article lists the "silent symptoms". Or not. Who the hell knows with this deal.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 25, 2020 21:23:34 GMT -5
No, but the friend who alerted me to that piece has and says it's very easy.
PS: I also read that some oximeters were available but they ween't FDA approved and couldn't be relied on. Caveat emptor.
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Post by epaul on Apr 25, 2020 21:26:34 GMT -5
Mine is made by Ronco (and it comes with a free dicer/slicer). Good deal!
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COVID 19
Apr 25, 2020 21:33:45 GMT -5
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Post by coachdoc on Apr 25, 2020 21:33:45 GMT -5
Are we really not gonna talk about this here? I recently used a restroom in the Seattle airport so I'm probably screwed. Millring clear some space in your closet. Guess so.
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Post by coachdoc on Apr 25, 2020 21:36:06 GMT -5
No, but the friend who alerted me to that piece has and says it's very easy. PS: I also read that some oximeters were available but they ween't FDA approved and couldn't be relied on. Caveat emptor. The finger oximeters you buy in Walmart are no different than the ones respiratory therapists walk around the hospital with.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 25, 2020 22:08:37 GMT -5
Good to know, Doc. Thanks.
Just ordered one from WalMart. Two-week delivery.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 25, 2020 22:09:29 GMT -5
I am waaay outside of any expertise on this stuff. Having said that, I know a researcher at a tier-one lab and an ID specialist who both really respect Ioannidis. So there you have it; secondhand on the internet.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 25, 2020 22:16:13 GMT -5
I’ve also heard that there are patients with crazy hypoxic sat levels (mid-high 80percent) that are sitting there in the er swiping on their phones and checking facebook. Very odd.
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Post by epaul on Apr 25, 2020 22:39:29 GMT -5
The Ronco model is very reasonable, plus the slicer/dicer attachment is useful for the blood draw.
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Post by epaul on Apr 25, 2020 22:42:45 GMT -5
(no blood draw necessary)
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Apr 26, 2020 7:09:17 GMT -5
The Ronco model is very reasonable, plus the slicer/dicer attachment is useful for the blood draw. I’m holding out for the pocket fisherman. Mike
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Post by coachdoc on Apr 26, 2020 8:24:13 GMT -5
I am waaay outside of any expertise on this stuff. Having said that, I know a researcher at a tier-one lab and an ID specialist who both really respect Ioannidis. So there you have it; secondhand on the internet. What this article does not take into account is how easily it is spread. It is as easily spread as a cold.
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Post by millring on Apr 26, 2020 9:31:47 GMT -5
I am waaay outside of any expertise on this stuff. Having said that, I know a researcher at a tier-one lab and an ID specialist who both really respect Ioannidis. So there you have it; secondhand on the internet. What this article does not take into account is how easily it is spread. It is as easily spread as a cold. How is it not taking that into consideration when it is central to the very point they are making?
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 27, 2020 7:12:32 GMT -5
About handling pandemics.
"The lead spokesperson should be a scientist. Dr. Richard Besser, a former acting C.D.C. director and an E.I.S. alumnus, explained to me, 'If you have a politician on the stage, there’s a very real risk that half the nation is going to do the opposite of what they say.'”
I hadn't thought about it but that strikes me as right. With President Trump on stage, Democrats will tend to be skeptical and Republicans will tend to defend him. If it were Mrs. Clinton, the reactions would be the reverse.
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Post by fauxmaha on Apr 27, 2020 8:02:05 GMT -5
I'm reminded, in a way, of something that happened 20 or so years ago when those two idiots were shooting people on the highway in the DC area.
I was doing a contract for the Omaha Police Department at the time. If you recall, the DC Chief of Police was on TV daily, and often came across badly, because most days they didn't really have anything useful to say.
I found myself in a hallway conversation with our Chief, and recall clearly him talking about how foolish he found the DC Chief's actions. "What you do is find the best looking woman you've got and put her out there for the daily briefing. The Chief is never in front of the camera until he can walk up to the podium and say 'We got him'."
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Post by brucemacneill on Apr 27, 2020 8:14:36 GMT -5
I'm reminded, in a way, of something that happened 20 or so years ago when those two idiots were shooting people on the highway in the DC area. I was doing a contract for the Omaha Police Department at the time. If you recall, the DC Chief of Police was on TV daily, and often came across badly, because most days they didn't really have anything useful to say. I found myself in a hallway conversation with our Chief, and recall clearly him talking about how foolish he found the DC Chief's actions. "What you do is find the best looking woman you've got and put her out there for the daily briefing. The Chief is never in front of the camera until he can walk up to the podium and say 'We got him'." I had to drive down to D.C. for a security conference while that was happening. I was real nervous because at the time they were looking for a gray van and I happened to be driving a gray van at the time but nobody shot at me. I was real happy to get back to PA.
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