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Post by Cornflake on Apr 5, 2022 13:44:46 GMT -5
Dos Equis in Arizona. It's a decent beer.
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Post by james on Apr 5, 2022 14:41:21 GMT -5
Cider is my usual tipple. I'm not a big lager fan. A couple of cold ones certainly have their uses though. The popular real ales are mostly pretty good and tasty stuff these days. During my lifetime, the choice and quality of ales has improved enormously. Guinness has been a pleasant, reliable and predictable enough drop for quite a while now.
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Post by Dub on Apr 5, 2022 17:55:13 GMT -5
Neither corn (in any form) nor rice have any place in beer. Wheat is like the word light ( lite) when applied to the word beer. They each are understood to mean not. |
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 7, 2022 17:20:44 GMT -5
Can't let national beer day slip by...!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 18:25:05 GMT -5
Neither corn (in any form) nor rice have any place in beer. Wheat is like the word light ( lite) when applied to the word beer. They each are understood to mean not. Dear GOD yes! Beer, and by that I mean quality beer, includes but four things: water, malted barley, hops and yeast. Skilled brewers can, and do, manipulate those four things into an infinite variety of wonderful outcomes. Don't add no dang rice or wheat. Don't add no dang fruit. Don't add no dang spices. Life these days is hard enough without hooligans adding complexity where it doesn't belong. Beer. It's not hard to figure out. Oh yes. Get off my lawn! |
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Post by Village Idiot on Apr 7, 2022 19:47:47 GMT -5
How old are the German purity laws?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 20:50:26 GMT -5
How old are the German purity laws? 1516 |
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Post by Dub on Apr 7, 2022 21:06:51 GMT -5
How old are the German purity laws? 1516 Really? Wow! I thought they were set by Napoleon. |
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Post by John B on Apr 7, 2022 21:14:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the trappist monks found that adding cane sugar to the recipe created a wonderful brew. A good Chimay is a good beer.
Also, rice sugars tend to add alcoholic content without adding any off tastes. A nice sneaky way to add a little kick without making it nasty. When I brewed I would usually throw some rice sugar in with the malt.
And a hefe weizen is a wonderful beer wheat be damned.
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Post by epaul on Apr 7, 2022 23:06:00 GMT -5
It is an inaccurate notion to hold that barley is the only grain allowed to be used in either traditional beers or fine beers. Rice has been used as an adjunct grain in beer at least as far back as ancient Mesopotamia, as has wheat and rye. And rice has been and still is used by some of finest European brewers and brewers world-wide, especially those who desire to make a pale, lighter-colored lager or ale.
The fabled Bavarian Beer Purity Laws that pop up now and then in beer discussions (and there have been many iterations of the law over the years) were, by many accounts (and easily the most plausible), developed not to protect the "purity" of beer but instead to:
- (at first) to preserve the use of wheat for bread usage only, insuring an ample, cheap and very much needed supply of wheat for the country's bakers.
- (then later) as a handy dandy means of protectionism to impede beer imports from England, France and others (sorry, we would love to allow your beer into our market, but it has [wheat, rice, corn, rye, potato, honey, this, that, and other in it].
Today the Bavarian Beer Purity Law is just a curiosity for idle beer talk. Brewers of beer, fine and not fine, world-wide have used many grains as fermentation adjuncts. Many fine brewers, craft and otherwise, will use rice or corn as an adjunct when the recipie calls for it. (btw, sake is a beer, consider how ancient and revered its linage is you beerists!)
The notion that Bavarians in the 1500s felt the need to prevent the use of some wheat or rice in their beers to rank as some sort holey mission... enough so as require scripting it into an everlasting biblical beer law... is a foolish romanticism (and is a projection of current misplaced beer notions upon an medieval, and likely much more pragmatic, population that would have no use for the peculiarities modern beer drinkers have the luxury to indulge in.)
Without sugar for the yeast to eat, there is no fermentation. And if there is no fermentation, there is no beer. Grains are malted to create the needed sugar. Barley by itself may or may not provide the brewer's desired malt. Rice, wheat, corn, or X can be added to achieve the desired result. Sugar can be added to the mix in whatever form the brewer wishes. Cane sugar, beet sugar, honey, molasses, or corn syrup are all used to good advantage in the very finest of brews and have enough tradition associated with their use to keep anyone who cares about history of beer and brewing happy.
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Post by epaul on Apr 7, 2022 23:26:30 GMT -5
By the way, Bud's current beer recipe dates, with mild variations of percentages, at least to 1870. In America, that is tradition plenty.
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Post by epaul on Apr 7, 2022 23:30:58 GMT -5
I am not bothering to supply cherry pick references, if you are curious, it is simple. Just google rice in beer and you will get enough hits to embarrass any belief that there is something new or chintzy or untraditional about its use. Google corn or corn syrup you will find the same. Beer needs yeast and yeast needs sugar. And yeast, unlike some beer drinkers, won't turn up its nose at any kind of it.
Oh, and same with googling Bavarian Beer Purity laws. Historically, you will find that they weren't concerned about beer purity but rather served a changing array market interests.
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Post by epaul on Apr 8, 2022 8:29:27 GMT -5
Fermented grain equals beer.
Fermented fruit equals wine.
Fermented grain, graham crackers, marshmallows, chocolate combined with unnamed flavoring agents equals an abomination (per the beer purity laws established by the Hobo Haus in 1978 AD)
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Post by dradtke on Apr 8, 2022 8:50:45 GMT -5
Fermented grain, graham crackers, marshmallows, chocolate combined with unnamed flavoring agents equals an abomination (per the beer purity laws established by the Hobo Haus in 1978 AD) That only happened because the bartender misunderstood you slurring, "S'mpre beer!" |
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Post by Dub on Apr 8, 2022 16:01:22 GMT -5
I grant that people have been putting not-beer-stuff in their brews for a very long time. I don't object to that nor do I care what people prefer to drink. I just don't want it presented as actual beer.  |
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Post by John B on Apr 8, 2022 17:09:19 GMT -5
There's beer with stuff in it and then there's the crazy stuff one of our local breweries puts out. Massive demand, and a huge secondary market from collectors. 450northbeerrelease.com/Milk stouts, lots and lots and lots of slushies, which apparently is... like a slushy? Citrine & Topaz – DDH Sour IPA – Goldenberry, Pineapple, Yuzu Golden Amber Coin – DDH Sour IPA – Pineapple, Peach, Vanilla, Citra Hops Box O’ Chocolates – Pastry Stout – Milk Chocolate, Dark Chocolate, Nougat, Toffee, Lactose Chocolate Covered Peanut Butter Banana – Stouty XXL – Banana, Peanut Butter, Milk Chocolate Lava Flow – Slushy XL – Strawberry, Coconut Cream, Banana, Pineapple Hurricane – Passionfruit, Orange, Lime, Lemon, Grenadine Mai Tai – Slushy XL – Cara Cara Orange, Orange Curacao, Lime, Rum Flavor Jungle Juice – Slushy XL – Passionfruit, Coconut, Mango, Kiwi, Pineapple Unicorn Juice – Slushy XL – Starfruit, Peach, Mango, Pink Guava Smoothy Bomb – Smoothie Hard Seltzer – Blackberry, Pomegranate, Acai, Banana Hydra Under the Sea – Slushy XXL – Collab w/ Mortalis Brewing Co. – Dragonfruit, Passionfruit, Tangerine, Peach, Marshmallow, Limoncello Fun with Jellyfish – Slushy XXL – Strawberry, Raspberry, Peanut Butter, Marshmallow, Banana Secret Formula – Slushy XXL – It’s a Secret! Tropical Sponge Cake – Slushy XXL – Kiwi, Banana, Passionfruit, Mango, Apricot, Cake Mix, Lactose, Vanilla Cream, Toasted Coconut Slushynation – Slushy XXL – Blueberry, Plum, Peach, Soursop, Lemon, Strawberry Meow – Slushy XXL – Collab w/ Drekker Brewing Co. – Triple Pink Guava, Double Apricot, Double Passionfruit Bahama Mama – Slushy XXL – Mango and Pineapple Pineapple House – Slushy XXXL – Triple Pineapple Big Slush – Slushy XXXL – Blackberry, Pear, Cherry, Green Apple, Pineapple, White Peach Crazzberry Cider – Cranberry, Raspberry Legendberry Cider – Blackberry, Raspberry, Blueberry |
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Post by Dub on Apr 8, 2022 17:50:51 GMT -5
There's beer with stuff in it and then there's the crazy stuff one of our local breweries puts out. Massive demand, and a huge secondary market from collectors. 450northbeerrelease.com/Milk stouts, lots and lots and lots of slushies, which apparently is... like a slushy? Citrine & Topaz – DDH Sour IPA – Goldenberry, Pineapple, Yuzu Golden Amber Coin – DDH Sour IPA – Pineapple, Peach, Vanilla, Citra Hops Box O’ Chocolates – Pastry Stout – Milk Chocolate, Dark Chocolate, Nougat, Toffee, Lactose Chocolate Covered Peanut Butter Banana – Stouty XXL – Banana, Peanut Butter, Milk Chocolate Lava Flow – Slushy XL – Strawberry, Coconut Cream, Banana, Pineapple Hurricane – Passionfruit, Orange, Lime, Lemon, Grenadine Mai Tai – Slushy XL – Cara Cara Orange, Orange Curacao, Lime, Rum Flavor Jungle Juice – Slushy XL – Passionfruit, Coconut, Mango, Kiwi, Pineapple Unicorn Juice – Slushy XL – Starfruit, Peach, Mango, Pink Guava Smoothy Bomb – Smoothie Hard Seltzer – Blackberry, Pomegranate, Acai, Banana Hydra Under the Sea – Slushy XXL – Collab w/ Mortalis Brewing Co. – Dragonfruit, Passionfruit, Tangerine, Peach, Marshmallow, Limoncello Fun with Jellyfish – Slushy XXL – Strawberry, Raspberry, Peanut Butter, Marshmallow, Banana Secret Formula – Slushy XXL – It’s a Secret! Tropical Sponge Cake – Slushy XXL – Kiwi, Banana, Passionfruit, Mango, Apricot, Cake Mix, Lactose, Vanilla Cream, Toasted Coconut Slushynation – Slushy XXL – Blueberry, Plum, Peach, Soursop, Lemon, Strawberry Meow – Slushy XXL – Collab w/ Drekker Brewing Co. – Triple Pink Guava, Double Apricot, Double Passionfruit Bahama Mama – Slushy XXL – Mango and Pineapple Pineapple House – Slushy XXXL – Triple Pineapple Big Slush – Slushy XXXL – Blackberry, Pear, Cherry, Green Apple, Pineapple, White Peach Crazzberry Cider – Cranberry, Raspberry Legendberry Cider – Blackberry, Raspberry, Blueberry  |
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Post by coachdoc on Apr 8, 2022 18:28:05 GMT -5
Sam lager
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Post by Marty on Apr 8, 2022 18:54:38 GMT -5
Dos Equis in Arizona. It's a decent beer. In Minnesota too. |
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