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Post by Marty on Jul 1, 2024 20:29:41 GMT -5
Getting in tune is a matter of BEING in tune. The guitar adjustments must be correct or there is no getting in tune.
But if your guitar is properly adjusted you should be able to get quite in tune by ear.
Try this. I like to start with the G string but any string will do. If you have a tuning fork use it for whatever string it matches, everybody seems to own an A440 so we'll start there.
With the A at pitch ask yourself what is the first note going up the A string that corresponds to an open string. Well that will be a B, so play B on the A string and tune the B string to that.
Now go to the B and the first note up the B that matches a open string is a D so tune the D to that.
Up the D you will get E and up the E you will get G.
If you can play an A on the G string and it's in tune with the open A you started with you have gone full circle and the guitar should be in tune.
I start on G because when you come full circle you are testing both E strings to that single G.
EDIT: All this said a guitar being a Fixed Interval Scale will NEVER be truly in tune as in perfect temper, not going to happen. If the scale length is near temper for the high E it is too short for good temper on the low E.
Maybe I'll bite the bullet and type out Kamimoto's dissertation on harmonic temper and fixed intervals. Or maybe I could scan it out of his book Complete Guitar Repair. It's far from complete but he is spot on when talking about tuning and temper.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 2, 2024 6:57:06 GMT -5
He likes Gibson sloped dreads. Oh, I “hear” out-of-tune every time I go to an open mic. (Couple times a week usually). And I mean out of tune with itself. It amazes me (irks me) when someone supposedly tunes their guitar and clearly misses the mark. “Can’t you read the fricken tuner? Can’t you hear that?” Of course Kaiser capos contribute to that. |
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Post by drlj on Jul 2, 2024 7:24:07 GMT -5
Kaiser capos. Ugh!
At least with a $250, handmade, stainless steel, adjustable, yoke capo, you can be out of tune but look so damned cool.
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Post by howard lee on Jul 2, 2024 7:25:48 GMT -5
[...] Oh, I “hear” out-of-tune every time I go to an open mic. (Couple times a week usually). And I mean out of tune with itself. It amazes me (irks me) when someone supposedly tunes their guitar and clearly misses the mark. “Can’t you read the fricken tuner? Can’t you hear that?” Of course Kaiser capos contribute to that.
And Kaiser Wilhelm doesn't help at all. All of Europe was out of tune when he was around.
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Post by John B on Jul 2, 2024 8:14:55 GMT -5
millring, I grimace when everyone plays. I just grimace. If I was a McDonald's character, I would be... Hamburglar. I mean Grimace. I especially grimace when I play. Marshall, I think at open mikes people are probably in a rush, get the tuner to "close enough" - like the tuner might show a little wedge on one side or the other of "dead on," or the little spinny thing on a Peterson hasn't quite stopped spinning - without realizing it wasn't close enough.
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Post by Marty on Jul 2, 2024 8:30:10 GMT -5
Repair people love Kaiser Capos. Partial refrets are real bread & butter money.
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Post by Tamarack on Jul 2, 2024 9:37:38 GMT -5
I have been using mostly Snarks since the Snarks first came out. Sometimes need to fine-tune by ear after tuning with the Snark.
I will hijack this thread by discussing banjos. I have found that I can tune such that the fifth string and the first string fretted at the fifth fret (G in most common banjo tunings) are dead on according to the Snark, but noticeably off to my ears. I regularly need to make small adjustments by ear. An out-of-tune (or slightly out-of-tune)fifth string, which is typically sounded once or twice per measure.
Using an electronic tuner on a banjo is problematic due to the rapid decay when a note is sounded.
I realize that bringing up this subject opens the door to an infinite assortment of banjo jokes.
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Post by drlj on Jul 2, 2024 9:48:49 GMT -5
I have been using mostly Snarks since the Snarks first came out. Sometimes need to fine-tune by ear after tuning with the Snark. I will hijack this thread by discussing banjos. I have found that I can tune such that the fifth string and the first string fretted at the fifth fret (G in most common banjo tunings) are dead on according to the Snark, but noticeably off when to my ears. I regularly need to make small adjustments by ear. An out-of-tune (or slightly out-of-tune)fifth string, which is typically sounded once or twice per measure. Using an electronic tuner on a banjo is problematic due to the rapid decay when a note is sounded. I realize that bringing up this subject opens the door to an infinite assortment of banjo jokes. I am just surprised that banjos can actually be tuned. |
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Post by epaul on Jul 2, 2024 10:36:57 GMT -5
Most use a blender. For best results, set to high.
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Post by Marty on Jul 2, 2024 10:48:35 GMT -5
I have been using mostly Snarks since the Snarks first came out. Sometimes need to fine-tune by ear after tuning with the Snark. I will hijack this thread by discussing banjos. I have found that I can tune such that the fifth string and the first string fretted at the fifth fret (G in most common banjo tunings) are dead on according to the Snark, but noticeably off to my ears. I regularly need to make small adjustments by ear. An out-of-tune (or slightly out-of-tune)fifth string, which is typically sounded once or twice per measure. Using an electronic tuner on a banjo is problematic due to the rapid decay when a note is sounded. I realize that bringing up this subject opens the door to an infinite assortment of banjo jokes. Actually since it's tuned to a open tuning if the bridge placement is correct they should get fairly in tune with themselves. But getting the 2nd and 3rd strings compensated is the key. |
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Post by Dub on Jul 2, 2024 12:00:23 GMT -5
I am just surprised that banjos can actually be tuned. Banjo players spend half of their time tuning and the other half playing out of tune. |
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Post by millring on Jul 2, 2024 14:21:07 GMT -5
If kyser capos cause damage I wonder if it might not be a matter of the players who prefer a kyser are the players most likely to use a capo in a damaging way?
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jul 2, 2024 16:41:55 GMT -5
If kyser capos cause damage I wonder if it might not be a matter of the players who prefer a kyser are the players most likely to use a capo in a damaging way? Bonus points for the first correct spelling of Kyser. |
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Post by millring on Jul 2, 2024 16:52:00 GMT -5
If kyser capos cause damage I wonder if it might not be a matter of the players who prefer a kyser are the players most likely to use a capo in a damaging way? Bonus points for the first correct spelling of Kyser. I was on my phone or I might have capitalized the K. |
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