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Post by Marshall on Oct 24, 2024 9:44:31 GMT -5
Then there's this whole block chain of "coins" and transactions. So, there's no way to track which bitcoin Bill bought and sold to me at half what he paid for it?
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Post by PaulS on Oct 24, 2024 9:49:57 GMT -5
I use ChatGPT quite a bit at work for certain things. It is great if I need a template for a policy or for a facilities or security program we are developing. We have to customize those for our school, but it's a well-organized and comprehensive start.
On the other hand, I asked ChatGPT for a list of scholarly articles on some issues I was wrestling with. It spat out a list of seven articles and sources. None of them were either real articles or where ChatGPT said they were located.
As we said in the military, trust but verify. Well, that and "remember you can still be a good general by taking an oath to just the Constitution and not the President." Crazy notion, that.
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 24, 2024 11:31:20 GMT -5
I've posted about this before, but it's worth wondering whether "artificial intelligence" describes what's actually going on in these systems. The linguistic side--the ability to generate competent sentences and paragraphs that sound like natural language--still strikes me as an amazing accomplishment. But the "intelligent" side--the part that seems to "know" or "understand"--strikes me as the appearance of knowing. The informational part of an AI's output is, as far as I can tell, the result of complicated statistical analyses of very large data-sets, and there is no "understanding" in the human sense--no insight, no intuitive leaps, and no error-checking of the match-the-assertion-against-experience kind. Whatever is going on in our heads, it's not the same kind of processes that AIs use. The AI has no direct experience, only statistical analysis and projection based on whatever data is in the training sets.
So what is AI really good at? First, pattern-matching, which is why it is being used to screen, say, medical imaging data like X-rays, looking for signs of cancer that even a trained radiologist might miss. In fact, "expert systems" have been around for decades, built on the procedural rules (for example, diagnostic protocols) that human practitioners have evolved and tested. The more raw processing power you throw at such systems, the more complex problems you can solve--without there being any ghost in the machine.
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Post by Dub on Oct 24, 2024 12:55:29 GMT -5
For the most part, Russell is correct. AI systems don’t “understand” in the way we think about understanding. composing text on a subject that has been well researched and documented isn’t really creative if the entire world’s research is available as a reference. Still, it’s a pretty neat trick.
I had an interesting experience yesterday. A close friend of ours recently traded in his Tesla for a new one. He had paid for the autonomous self-driving package (around $8K) and the company was offering to transfer that license to the new one if he bought now. Otherwise, he would need to purchase that again when he bought a newer model. He”d owned his older one for several years and his wife didn’t like riding in it because it had stiff sports-car-like suspension. The new suspension provides a very smooth ride.
Our friend took me for a spin yesterday using the self-driving system almost exclusively. I have to say it was an enlightening experience. Though I was in the passenger seat, he had me tell the car what destinations to reach. I chose destinations that might be challenging such as stores with difficult to reach parking facilities, routes with roundabouts, etc. we also navigated freeway systems and busy, multi-lane intersections. I have to say, I was very impressed. The Tesla drove almost exactly as I would have. It slowed and accelerated the same way I do and took advantage of all the opportunities. At no time did I feel anxious about anything the car did. Occasionally, it had to make snap decisions. At one stop, it began to accelerate into the intersection when suddenly a school bus came from out of nowhere. The Tesla spotted it slightly sooner than we did and stopped very suddenly before entering the intersection.
The only “stupid” thing the car did was when we came, unexpectedly, to a street that was temporarily closed for paving work. The Tesla had determined that street was part of our route to a destination. When we came to the blockade, the car stopped, unable to back up. We had to disable the automation, back up, turn around and resume auto-drive. The Tesla left the blockade, drove us around a block and returned to the route it was trying to navigate. Of course that brought us right back to the blockade. Rinse and repeat. We did that three times and concluded the Tesla was learning nothing from its failed attempts. It seemed unable to remember the blockade and plot a new route. We gave up and instructed it to take me home giving our address. The car got us back to my house but went two houses past ours and stopped suddenly in the middle of the street. We had to resume control to turn around and drop me off.
Tesla still has some work to do but the car didn’t do anything I thought might be dangerous. It noticed children playing and pedestrians in unusual places. It always knew how many other vehicles were nearby and whether they were cars, trucks, vans or motorcycles. It knew which way they were moving, how fast, and in which lane.
Another thing it did was watch the driver’s eyes to make certain he was paying attention. If his attention wandered, it warned him and suspended auto-drive.
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Post by howard lee on Oct 24, 2024 14:45:14 GMT -5
My head hurts.
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 24, 2024 16:05:40 GMT -5
Russell, you're right. We predictably use anthropomorphic language to describe what it is doing when what it's doing isn't human-like at all. It's a sort of idiot genius.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Oct 24, 2024 16:09:13 GMT -5
I mean, how much energy does it take to print a dollar bill? And once it's printed, it sits in my wallet requiring no energy to maintain it's value. You think a dollar sitting in your wallet maintains it's value? 🤣🤣🤣 That it can buy today what it could have bought 5 years ago?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by epaul on Oct 24, 2024 18:10:33 GMT -5
I've posted about this before, but it's worth wondering whether "artificial intelligence" describes what's actually going on in these systems. The linguistic side--the ability to generate competent sentences and paragraphs that sound like natural language--still strikes me as an amazing accomplishment. But the "intelligent" side--the part that seems to "know" or "understand"--strikes me as the appearance of knowing... The appearance of knowing got me through seven years of college and two degrees. |
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Post by TKennedy on Oct 24, 2024 20:32:12 GMT -5
I've posted about this before, but it's worth wondering whether "artificial intelligence" describes what's actually going on in these systems. The linguistic side--the ability to generate competent sentences and paragraphs that sound like natural language--still strikes me as an amazing accomplishment. But the "intelligent" side--the part that seems to "know" or "understand"--strikes me as the appearance of knowing... The appearance of knowing got me through seven years of college and two degrees. That’s true. Mastering the persona that fools the world into thinking you are smarter than you really are is a time proven mechanism of success. A fake British accent is a good start. |
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 24, 2024 20:50:01 GMT -5
"Mastering the persona that fools the world into thinking you are smarter than you really are is a time proven mechanism of success. A fake British accent is a good start."
Quite right, old chap.
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Post by majorminor on Oct 25, 2024 7:52:39 GMT -5
I’m not sure I even know what to ask it. Mike "Who's the fairest of them all?" is always a good ice breaker. |
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 25, 2024 9:07:46 GMT -5
Q Should the word grownup be hyphenated?
A The word grownup can be written either as a single word (grownup) or hyphenated (grown-up), and both forms are correct. However, the hyphenated form (grown-up) is more common in formal writing, especially when used as an adjective (e.g., "a grown-up decision"). When used as a noun (e.g., "the grownups are talking"), grownup is increasingly accepted without a hyphen, particularly in informal contexts.
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Post by howard lee on Oct 25, 2024 9:15:41 GMT -5
Q Should the word grownup be hyphenated? A The word grownup can be written either as a single word (grownup) or hyphenated (grown-up), and both forms are correct. However, the hyphenated form (grown-up) is more common in formal writing, especially when used as an adjective (e.g., "a grown-up decision"). When used as a noun (e.g., "the grownups are talking"), grownup is increasingly accepted without a hyphen, particularly in informal contexts.
Yes, I was going to say. You could have asked me. Or Bill.
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 25, 2024 9:40:36 GMT -5
Q Why has the use of hyphens declined?
A The use of hyphens has declined primarily due to changes in language patterns and digital communication. Here are some key reasons:
1. **Language Evolution**: English tends to simplify over time. As certain compound words become widely used, they often transition from hyphenated to single words, like "email" (from "e-mail") or "online" (from "on-line").
2. **Influence of Digital Media**: In digital communication, there's a trend toward shorter, quicker forms of writing, which discourages hyphens in favor of simpler, faster language. This is especially true on platforms with character limits, like Twitter (X).
3. **Style Guides**: Style guides such as those from *The Associated Press* and *The Chicago Manual of Style* have updated their rules to reflect modern usage, encouraging open compounds (like “ice cream” over “ice-cream”) or closed compounds (like "email" over "e-mail").
4. **Autocorrect and Predictive Text**: These tools often favor simpler forms and frequently suggest or autofill closed compounds, reinforcing less-hyphenated usage patterns.
Despite this trend, hyphens remain useful for clarity, particularly in compound adjectives (e.g., "well-known artist") or to prevent confusion (e.g., "re-cover" vs. "recover").
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