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Post by theevan on Jul 15, 2024 16:53:16 GMT -5
JD Vance.
Good book
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Post by millring on Jul 15, 2024 17:04:15 GMT -5
Very good book. I listened to the audiobook. Actually, Dar and I listened to the first few chapters together, laughed often, and nodded knowingly. Then somewhere in the fourth or fifth chapter, it started to get very un funny for Dar and she stopped listening. If you were raised Appalachian, that book will make you weep.
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Post by theevan on Jul 15, 2024 17:05:50 GMT -5
Certainly has working class bona fide. Incredibly hopeless and dysfunctional. That he rose from those ashes is a great story.
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Post by theevan on Jul 15, 2024 17:20:34 GMT -5
There was never a thought it would be so widely read. A memoir, very personal. Rod Dreher read it, talked it up, and it eventually became a best seller.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 15, 2024 17:28:29 GMT -5
I read the book. Good book. Smart man. I don’t like the turn he’s made politically. He’ll be an attack dog I suspect
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Post by epaul on Jul 15, 2024 17:34:02 GMT -5
I don't know if he will need to be.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2024 17:40:21 GMT -5
Admiration for Vance is not quite universal, even among conservatives and Appalachian folk. Just today on cincinnati.com: The junior senator from Ohio is a political opportunist and chameleon who changes his colors with the political winds and has joined in the current marketplace of politics − looking for clicks, impressing Trump, and demonizing the other side. www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2024/07/15/trump-shooting-biden-democrats-vance-vice-president/74410204007/If Vance's trajectory from rustbelt to Ivy League schools and the Senate is significant, so is his later trajectory from never-Trumper to all-out MAGAite. Better looking, more articulate, and with better manners than his master, but just as undesirable as a national leader. Not that smarmy Rubio would be any better. |
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Post by billhammond on Jul 15, 2024 18:14:05 GMT -5
Excerpt from a Strib editorial today:
Perhaps the most discomforting detail about Vance is this: When asked by an interviewer in early February, "what he would have done if he had been vice president on Jan. 6, Vance said in no uncertain terms that he would have done what Trump had asked and demanded that contested states submit alternative slates of electors to the House of Representatives," Politico reported in March.
Vance should be pressed about this repeatedly in the upcoming campaign. In the Ohio senator, Trump appears to have found someone whose loyalties lie not with the nation, but with Trump himself. Vance's addition to the ticket inspires little confidence and further deepens concerns about our democracy's future.
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Post by theevan on Jul 15, 2024 19:49:14 GMT -5
Ahhh, now Biden is going Nixon on us (sans the intellect) with national price controls. Desperation.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2024 20:01:36 GMT -5
Now? Link?
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Post by theevan on Jul 15, 2024 21:02:29 GMT -5
On rents.
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Post by theevan on Jul 15, 2024 21:03:01 GMT -5
Worked great for Nixon. Heh.
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Post by james on Jul 16, 2024 16:49:53 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm missing or misunderstanding something. When housing affordability is becoming an issue, a temporary, two year, five percent per annum limit for rent increases, when landlords have 50 or more residential units doesn’t seem like an especially unreasonable or desperate move to me. I don't know which of Nixon's policies are relevant. A link is helpful sometimes.
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Post by howard lee on Jul 16, 2024 17:10:54 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm missing or misunderstanding something. When housing affordability is becoming an issue, a temporary, two year, five percent per annum limit for rent increases, when landlords have 50 or more residential units doesn’t seem like an especially unreasonable or desperate move to me. I don't know which of Nixon's policies are relevant. A link is helpful sometimes.
Here you go, James.
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Post by theevan on Jul 16, 2024 17:13:26 GMT -5
Among the worst of Nixon's failed policies. It had terrible consequences. Fortunately the mistake was recognized and walked back.
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Post by james on Jul 16, 2024 17:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by howard lee on Jul 16, 2024 18:13:02 GMT -5
New York has its own Rent Guidelines Board that oversees rent regulation. There is a certain percentage of apartments in New York that are "rent stabilized," that is, their rents can't increase except by a certain percentage as determined by this Board. I am not sure this always works to the renters' advantage.
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Post by millring on Jul 29, 2024 6:00:03 GMT -5
What I know of Vance, I like. That is: I liked the book. It was well-written and a gut-wrenching story told well. If you had any first hand experience with the Appalachian culture described in the book, you'd probably get it.
And the current social media ridicule of him and his history is both hypocritical and childish.
That said, he was a horrible pick for VP. And rather than help Trump's chances, it actually highlights Trump's weaknesses in the race.
The Democrats may be entirely captive to the institutions (corrupt as they may be), but they are the institutions of the Democrat's devising, and as such, a Democrat will not be working with those institutions fundamentally against her. And a realistic view of the world is that the institutions are not going anywhere. Maybe those institutions cannot be salvaged. I doubt that they can at this point. It was at least a 75 year trek to get them where they are today. But you can't run the government as a lone wolf. You can't have the institutional government against you and expect to run it at the same time.
Vance went through none of the usual vetting, debate, and discussion that usually precedes such a pick (contrast the current discussion about who Harris will pick. There was none of that.). So, Vance is a bright guy with almost no government experience, and the institutional government is already adversarial to him. He doesn't stand a chance to be in the number 2 seat.
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Post by majorminor on Jul 29, 2024 8:02:18 GMT -5
That said, he was a horrible pick for VP. And rather than help Trump's chances, it actually highlights Trump's weaknesses in the race. I agree. Seems like most of the people excited by him were voting Trump anyway. It doesn't appear to be the typical shrewd and calculated pick one would expect. Unless Trump is dreaming of a third term and needs a yes man? The book is in the queue. |
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Post by billhammond on Jul 29, 2024 8:16:19 GMT -5
That said, he was a horrible pick for VP. And rather than help Trump's chances, it actually highlights Trump's weaknesses in the race. I agree. Seems like most of the people excited by him were voting Trump anyway. It doesn't appear to be the typical shrewd and calculated pick one would expect. Unless Trump is dreaming of a third term and needs a yes man? The book is in the queue. Don't understand your last sentence above -- is that an expression I've just never heard before? Supposedly, Trump wanted to pick ND Gov. Doug Burgum, but his sons wouldn't hear of it. |
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