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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 15:20:59 GMT -5
Immigration laws are not and have not been enforced. Until they are enforced any wall/barrier/blockade will only have the effect of plugging one of a multitude of leaks in our border security.
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Post by Cribbs on Oct 26, 2006 15:41:28 GMT -5
We don't build fences, but we do develop means to keep illegals from swimming over from Cuba. Meet the Austin Powers-inspired "shark with a frickin laser on it's head" that patrols the Gulf of Mexico.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Oct 26, 2006 15:41:46 GMT -5
Best bet is that no wall will ever get built. For one ting, the Department of Homeland Security doesn't want it. they say they can build a "virtual" fence with planes, cameras and sensors for a lot less money. Of course it won't be any more effective than a real fence but it would at least cost less.
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Post by timfarney on Oct 26, 2006 15:58:28 GMT -5
Never underestimate a politician's capacity to use your own money to buy your vote.
Don-
Regarding the 18 months it takes for the Fed to run an immigration check:
1) I'm not sure I believe it. Not doubting your word, just doubting the duplicitous, excuse-for-doing-nothing politician who probably made that crap up.
2) Employers should still use the system, to cover their asses if nothing else, and most of them don't.
3) I can apply for a $300,000 mortgage online and the financial services company can know my credit history, criminal record and God knows what else by tomorrow morning. This ain't rocket science. And I suspect the Fed could get good at it for a lot less than they can build a fence. Problem is, they don't want to do it. They want the illegals here. That, if nothing else, is obvious.
Tim
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Post by theevan on Oct 26, 2006 16:12:49 GMT -5
Fencing? Would a pawn shop take it? Maybe the overcoat routine would work. "Pssst! Hey buddy, wanna buy a Southern border?"
Dark hat is optional.
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Post by TDR on Oct 26, 2006 16:18:20 GMT -5
I think you have that last part exactly right, Tim. Cheap labor is good for the economy.
Well sort of. Its good for statistics. Availability of cheap unskilled labor keeps the cost of overall labor down. Keeps inflation down. Make productivity appear good. Big biz profits are up, especiallt agriculture. Ag exports are more competitive. Stuff like that.
Nevermind the spun off social costs, that's another matter. so the pressure on policy makers is to allow the immigrants, not stop them. But none of that explains why INS couldn't do its job and document them and exercise some control.
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Post by Doug on Oct 26, 2006 17:01:58 GMT -5
That might be enough to same the Rs. To beat the Rs the Ds need a big chunk of the Rs to stay home. If they can make the stay at homes think they are dealing with the criminal imigration problem then they might go vote.
If they had done it 2 yrs ago when their base was screaming, and construction was started then this wouldn't even be a close election.
But in the long run it will be built. Either that or there will be a blood bath on the southern border.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 17:23:55 GMT -5
Just got to find some cheap fencebuilders......
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Post by Jawbone on Oct 26, 2006 17:36:10 GMT -5
Hope they get it on the right property line. I hate doing stuff twice.
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Post by Jawbone on Oct 26, 2006 17:38:03 GMT -5
elf, that was funny. And I'm sure they will.
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Post by timfarney on Oct 26, 2006 17:49:33 GMT -5
It's good for the investor economy. Bad for the work for a living economy. Somewhere along the line, when we were not paying attention, the policiy-makers and economy-makers of the U.S. stopped giving a shit about people who work for a living. They gave their livelihood away to the lowest bidder. All they care about wealth, investment and the numbers. Is that short-sighted? You bet. It's already coming back to bite 'em in the backside in the form of a whole lot of people who don't feel good about the economy even though the metrics say we're doing great. The ultimate bite, of course, comes when millions of under-employed Americans can't afford to buy all the crap the economy-makers, enabled by the policy-makers, are making here and abroad, with cheap foreign labor, and the whole ill-conceived Rube Goldberg collapses under it's own bloat and takes the consumer nation with it.
And if anyone thinks I'm bashing Republican fat cats, I have one word for you: Clinton.
Tim
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Post by Doug on Oct 26, 2006 17:54:52 GMT -5
I don't think there is a difference between the investor economy and the "work for a living economy" any more if there ever has been.
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Post by timfarney on Oct 26, 2006 19:32:34 GMT -5
I don't think there is a difference between the investor economy and the "work for a living economy" any more if there ever has been. Really? If nothing else, there are a whole lot more people in the investor economy, a whole lot more publicly traded companies and, through the rise of the lobbying system, they have a whole lot more influence on government than they ever had before. Yeah. I think there's a lot of difference. Besides, I had to test out this new keyboard. It's kinda springy. And probably made with American investment capital and Chinese labor. Tim
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Post by majorminor on Oct 26, 2006 19:43:17 GMT -5
I think the Original Timbo has about nailed it. Send higher paying manufacturing jobs off shore so goods can be imported cheaply which people with lower paying service jobs can barely afford and prop it all up with credit. I'm trying to figure out what comes next after the interest only mortgage. No payments until you kids inherit it?
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Post by timfarney on Oct 26, 2006 19:46:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's great for the markets.
Tim
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Post by millring on Oct 27, 2006 3:37:43 GMT -5
Based on the observable but paper-thin premise that nobody even tries to pay off a house anymore. The bubble that nobody ever thinks will burst is the real estate market. Few believe that equity will ever be at risk. Thus, as long as you pay rent to the bank that actually owns your real estate, you get to keep the gain in equity (or your kids do) when you sell to another bank (so some new sucker can rent from them) or die.
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Post by Doug on Oct 27, 2006 4:00:38 GMT -5
I would have thought that at the age most of us are that a lot of us would have paid off the house. It's been guite a few years since I was paying a morgage.
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Post by timfarney on Oct 27, 2006 6:13:00 GMT -5
What a lot of people are missing is that paying off a mortgage is a nearly painless way to shore up your retirement planning. Pay it off by the time you're 65. Depending on your mortgage payment, it may save you more than SS pays, and you still get to keep all the equity. And you're probably going to need it when you're 75 and it's time to move into that assisted living facility. Resist that home equity loan. Refinance for a lower rate and a shorter pay-off instead. You won't need the tax write-off when you're in retirement, but you'll need the cash.
Tim
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Post by guitone on Oct 27, 2006 6:18:16 GMT -5
Anyone want to bet that Haliburton gets the construction contract? LOL. You mean I can have Halibrton? Who do you think will get it I'll sure bet on Haliburton or another Bush friend.
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Post by guitone on Oct 27, 2006 6:29:49 GMT -5
What a lot of people are missing is that paying off a mortgage is a nearly painless way to shore up your retirement planning. Pay it off by the time you're 65. Depending on your mortgage payment, it may save you more than SS pays, and you still get to keep all the equity. And you're probably going to need it when you're 75 and it's time to move into that assisted living facility. Resist that home equity loan. Refinance for a lower rate and a shorter pay-off instead. You won't need the tax write-off when you're in retirement, but you'll need the cash. Tim My plan is to pay my mortgage in the next 5 years, when I am 60 and I am on track...Sharon on the other hand is only paying interest as she says she can just pay the darn thing off anytime she wants and she needs the deduction. Personally I think you end up spending way more then you get to deduct so why not just pay the darn thing off. Back to fences, alot of interesting points about who indeed profits...and the republicans never gave anybody enough money back to really mean anything, just good PR (as the stupid believe what they are told it seems), but I am still waiting for my gas relief (maybe I can buy a guitar with it)......
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