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Jun 7, 2009 9:16:37 GMT -5
Post by factorychef on Jun 7, 2009 9:16:37 GMT -5
What kind of Capo do I need for my Cargo as I seem to be breaking strings with the one I have. I don't beat on my strings. The Capo I have now is a Kyser and it works fine on my Seagull but not on my Cargo.
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Jun 7, 2009 9:57:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 9:57:09 GMT -5
I use a Shubb. I am not a fan of the Kyser or any spring tension capo. The Cargo has stainless steel frets so I'm not real worried about fret wear but they may be the reason you break strings if you tune with the capo on. You should not have to tune the guitar when you capo, if you do then you either need to get the guitar adjusted or get a better capo. The Kyser has too much tension to be used behind the fret, it must be used slightly ON the fret or it will pull the guitar out of tune. People like the Kyser because it can be clipped on the headstock when not in use. This is fine if you have a guitar with a modern finish but it will eat the finish of a vintage guitar leaving a big black mark. I don't like spring tension capos. Most of the capos that I have liked have been screw tension, cam tension or friction tension.
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Jun 7, 2009 10:04:32 GMT -5
Post by millring on Jun 7, 2009 10:04:32 GMT -5
The "Poor Man's Elliott" -- a Paige -- is a great solution. It combines the nice feature of only needing to tighten enough to hold the strings down (not a spring action) with the convenience of the Kyser, in that you never have to take it off when you're not using it. When not in use, merely loosen it enough to slip above the nut. It's out of the way and, unlike as Marty warns about herr Kyser, it won't ruin the headstock.
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Jun 7, 2009 10:20:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 10:20:00 GMT -5
If I were to make a list of Marty approved capos the Paige would be not only on it but near the top.
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Jun 7, 2009 10:32:54 GMT -5
Post by millring on Jun 7, 2009 10:32:54 GMT -5
If I were to make a list of Marty approved capos the Paige would be not only on it but near the top. That's good to hear. I love mine. I've bought two of 'em. I got them after I got my Elliott and liked the way it worked. Sure, they don't thread nearly as smoothly as the Elliott, but they function nearly identically. I'm going to do some experimenting with the tubing material that covers the bar. I noticed that it's softer than the tubing on the Elliott and it's permanently ridged pretty quickly (I just rotate it around when it does that). Tubing is cheap and I'm going to play around with different types.
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Jun 7, 2009 10:35:15 GMT -5
Post by Resolve on Jun 7, 2009 10:35:15 GMT -5
If I were to make a list of Marty approved capos the Paige would be not only on it but near the top. So treat us to that list, why doncha? ;D I don't like the Kyser. That was my first one. I like the Shubb but then a friend sent me a G7th and I REALLY like that one.
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Jun 7, 2009 10:37:39 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 10:37:39 GMT -5
If I were to make a list of Marty approved capos the Paige would be not only on it but near the top. So treat us to that list, why doncha? ;D I don't like the Kyser. That was my first one. I like the Shubb but then a friend sent me a G7th and I REALLY like that one. The G7 is another good one. Not going to do a list today, Too much work for a Sunday.
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Jun 7, 2009 11:00:17 GMT -5
Post by billhammond on Jun 7, 2009 11:00:17 GMT -5
I think the G7s are too heavy.
(Besides, what if you want to play some OTHER chord?)
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Jun 7, 2009 11:07:05 GMT -5
Post by millring on Jun 7, 2009 11:07:05 GMT -5
(Besides, what if you want to play some OTHER chord?) I wrote and deleted the same thing. Great minds, and all...
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Jun 7, 2009 11:08:25 GMT -5
Post by billhammond on Jun 7, 2009 11:08:25 GMT -5
(Besides, what if you want to play some OTHER chord?) I wrote and deleted the same thing. Great minds, and all... The great mind part is your deleting the post!
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Jun 7, 2009 11:09:57 GMT -5
Post by millring on Jun 7, 2009 11:09:57 GMT -5
No, that was the "nevermind" part.
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Jun 7, 2009 11:25:33 GMT -5
Post by PaulKay on Jun 7, 2009 11:25:33 GMT -5
Actually Planet Waves has a new capo that has the main features of the Kyser capo without the negatives that Marty talked about. accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Planet-Waves-Dual-Action-Capo?sku=360629The patented Planet Waves Dual-Action Capo is not your ordinary trigger-type capo. Compound action reduces the force necessary to open and close the capo. It also eliminates side-pulling the strings out of tune, which is prevalent on other trigger-type capos. Aircraft-quality aluminum construction adds virtually no weight to the guitar's neck when in use and the capo can be clamped on the headstock when idle. Simply adjust the tactile micrometer tension control so there is just enough tension to eliminate string buzzing and enjoy repeatable, in-tune performance at every fret.
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Jun 7, 2009 11:27:29 GMT -5
Post by Village Idiot on Jun 7, 2009 11:27:29 GMT -5
I can't figure out what the deal is with Factorychef (Bob, by the way) breaking strings. What we've got here is a very dedicated player just learning, who is in his early 60's. He practices for hours at a time, and what I'm seeing is strumming, thumb down, index finger up. Very calloused hands from work. I've suggested a thumb pick, a light one, which he is using. That way some bass is defined instead of just strumming.
I don't think the capo has anything to do with strings breaking, he's tried several capos. It has something to do with his right hand, and I can't put my finger on it.
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Jun 7, 2009 11:31:23 GMT -5
Post by millring on Jun 7, 2009 11:31:23 GMT -5
Man, before I'd put something that huge and complicated-looking on the neck of my guitar, I'd just as soon go the classical route and hire lesser guitarists to stand behind me and hold the strings down at whatever fret I tell 'em to.
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Jun 7, 2009 11:49:07 GMT -5
Post by Greg B on Jun 7, 2009 11:49:07 GMT -5
I don't like Kysers. They're too big and heavy. I use a Shubb and I like it except (as with all capos) it gets in the way a little bit down at the first position. But it's less intrusive than most. Now Just Wait A Gosh Darn Minute!I just realized. Is this a guitar related discussion! What the hell's going on here. ;D
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Jun 7, 2009 12:08:15 GMT -5
Post by Greg B on Jun 7, 2009 12:08:15 GMT -5
Before Thunder and I head off to the river to go play, I wanted to share this. Fred Carlson's creation "The New Dream" is a 39 string harp guitar. The bass harp strings have individual inlayed strings capos. By the way. If you've ever dreamed about owning one of Fred's instruments, it turns out that the Guitarangi da gamba is now for sale. The original owner has decided to let it go. I would assume that it's in the $10k to $20k range. But maybe he'll cut you a deal since it's used. www.beyondthetrees.com/grngipho.html
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Jun 7, 2009 12:09:30 GMT -5
Post by millring on Jun 7, 2009 12:09:30 GMT -5
I don't like Kysers. They're too big and heavy. I use a Shubb and I like it except (as with all capos) it gets in the way a little bit down at the first position. But it's less intrusive than most. Now Just Wait A Gosh Darn Minute!I just realized. Is this a guitar related discussion! What the hell's going on here. ;D Here's a few innersting factoids: 1. Kysers actually weigh considerably less than the original Shubbs. Shubb released a Shubb "lite" that is now about the same weight as a Kyser at < 42G 2. If neck weight bugs you (and it REALLY bugs me), those chrome tuning keys that come on most Schaller and Gotoh tuners weigh almost as much as two Kyser capos -- at 75 g for a set of six. If you exchange those chrome ones with some ebony keys, you can reduce the neck weight by 1 1/2 capos.
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Jun 7, 2009 12:09:32 GMT -5
Post by John B on Jun 7, 2009 12:09:32 GMT -5
Super fine-tunable, and light as a feather.
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Jun 7, 2009 12:37:42 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Jun 7, 2009 12:37:42 GMT -5
I don't use a capo much but when I do I have a Victor/Dunlop and an old straplock Dunlop which works well as a capo but isn't easy to use.
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Jun 7, 2009 12:42:30 GMT -5
Post by Marshall on Jun 7, 2009 12:42:30 GMT -5
Love those Planet Waves models. But watching Dub play with his Paige style capo permanently set on the neck above the nut, is tempting. you always know where the stinkin thing is.
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