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Post by Fingerplucked on Oct 21, 2010 15:20:44 GMT -5
I was going to say something Bruce, but I was confused.
On the one hand, you seemed to have better info than the rest of us. On the other hand, you found it on Fox.
I went into brain-freeze.
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Post by brucemacneill on Oct 21, 2010 15:34:11 GMT -5
Fox, or at least O'Riley's program, is like a soap opera, there's an ongoing subplot. You can miss a few weeks and come right back into the story in the course of a couple of days. As such, it's entertaining in a sick sort of way. The cast is better than MSNBC though because when Chris Matthews has a debate segment he debates with 2 other Democrats. O'Riley will actually have a conservative and a liberal on. As the liberals go, I thought Williams was about the best. He stays fairly calm and reasoned, unlike Whoppi Goldberg or Joy Behar. I suppose Williams counts as a moderate Democrat. I don't know. I do know that NPR fired him either because they were just looking for an excuse and used this one or for no reason at all because he didn't say anything remotely "Wrong". Someone earlier, maybe Doug or Jeff, said the liberals are starting to eat their own and that was my first thought when I heard he got fired over last night's show.
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Post by dradtke on Oct 21, 2010 15:40:13 GMT -5
NPR's ethics code. www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/ethics/ethics_code.html10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows electronic forums, or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis.
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Post by paulschlimm on Oct 21, 2010 15:40:39 GMT -5
When I get on a plane, I never get nervous. I tell myself that I am the baddest dude on the plane and if anyone gets out of line, I'm going to force my seat cushion (the one that can also be used as a personal flotation device) down their throat before they know what hit them. I also practice my steely-eyed glare in the jetway. ::nods::
Hey Juan, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Post by omaha on Oct 21, 2010 15:45:47 GMT -5
NPR's ethics code. www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/ethics/ethics_code.html10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows electronic forums, or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis. Then they should have fired Williams long ago. He's been engaging in punditry for years. I'm not sure I know the difference between "punditry" and "fact-based analysis", other than the pattern seems to be that liberals use their "fact-based analysis" to refute conservative "punditry", right?
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Post by brucemacneill on Oct 21, 2010 15:46:19 GMT -5
NPR's ethics code. www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/ethics/ethics_code.html10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows electronic forums, or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis. Now I have to watch the 6pm show on Fox and see if the woman from NPR shows up or if she's hiding somewhere.
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Post by Chesapeake on Oct 21, 2010 15:49:51 GMT -5
NPR's ethics code. www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/ethics/ethics_code.html10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows electronic forums, or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis. I suppose this means Mara Liasson will be the next one out the door.
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Post by brucemacneill on Oct 21, 2010 15:51:32 GMT -5
NPR's ethics code. www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/ethics/ethics_code.html10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows electronic forums, or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis. I suppose this means Mara Liasson will be the next one out the door. Yeah, her. I couldn't think of her name.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Oct 21, 2010 15:51:34 GMT -5
Bruce, I don't know about eating their own. If the reports are correct that NPR has been unhappy with his Fox appearances and that it's been going on for a while, he should have known this was coming, one way or another.
As far as a biased host bringing on a biased guest with another offsetting counter-biased guest, I don't agree that the end result is unbiased. A straight news story would be unbiased. (And then everyone would fall asleep and no one would watch the show.)
I remember you stating several times that you read some story or other in the newspaper, so I won't bust your chops for watching Fox. (Much.)
I was talking to my brother the other day, trying again to get him to quit watching that crap. I suggested again that he read the Chicago Tribune. He won't because he thinks it's too liberal. I tried telling him that as far as I can tell, they have a reputation as a conservative newspaper, but it doesn't matter to me, because whether they're leaning left or right, they're not leaning far. Their reporting seems to be pretty fair. I also pointed out that they're recommending all Republicans for the coming election.
But my brother wasn't convinced. So I told him to find a newspaper that he does like. He said he tried. I asked him what he meant by that. He said he tried calling in on Sean Hannity's program to ask that very question - what's a good, fair newspaper - but his call didn't go through.
I think I have to give up on my brother.
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Post by brucemacneill on Oct 21, 2010 15:57:50 GMT -5
O'Riley isn't a news show any more than Matthews is. They're both opinion punditry shows. 3 people with the same opinion doesn't seem interesting to me. At least O'Riley will have at least one dissenting opinion in the debate. Get your brother a subscription to The Eastern Shore Post. Yeah, it won't have any Chicago news in it but it's straight news. The tide tables are riveting.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Oct 21, 2010 16:05:40 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Chesapeake on Oct 21, 2010 16:17:55 GMT -5
It seems so obvious to me if you truly have an open mind and want to decide rationally what you think about something, rather than just accept the knee-jerk cant on one side or the other, you need to hear from both sides of the argument. And that means not relying on getting both sides as filtered through just one side.
I regularly switch back and forth from Fox to MSNBC to see what the most extreme arguments are about an issue, and then make up my mind. (Well, only after a stop at CNN for what's being said more or less in the middle.)
It also matters in the keeping-yourself-informed department that each organization covers entire subjects that the other completely skips. I saw the clip of O'Donnell admitting she didn't know what was in the First Amendment on MSNBC, but haven't yet seen it on Fox. The reverse is true as well, I just can't immediately think of an equivalent example.
In fact, until conservative-oriented media started springing up around the mid-1980s, conservative activities were often like trees falling in the forest. If they weren't covered by the liberal-oriented mainstream media, it was as if they hadn't happened. (Btw, don't try to tell me they weren't - and arent' - liberal-oriented. I was there, and we were all card-carrying libs.)
I question the open-mindedness of people who don't seek out both sides, and salute those who have the bravery to admit that they do.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Oct 21, 2010 16:22:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure I know the difference between "punditry" and "fact-based analysis"
me either!
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Post by Fingerplucked on Oct 21, 2010 16:33:05 GMT -5
I used to watch MSNBC and Fox and sometimes CNN. I think all it does is make you crazy. (A good test is to monitor your heart rate while watching the news. If it's going up, you're being jerked around.)
I switched to watching almost all CNN with Fox & MSNBC as fillers during commercials. It was better, but it's still at its core an entertainment station.
Now I read the newspaper and pick up odds & ends from other sources like here, NPR and sometimes the three mentioned above during dinner if I'm home alone.
There's less "puffery" in the paper - stories are reported, but not purposely blown out of proportion. And I find that if I read about an issue first, I'm much less likely to get worked up about it if I see it later on cable news.
The O'Donnell story is a good example. I read about it in the paper. This morning it hit me that we hadn't talked about it here. I was silently congratulating us, thinking that we were doing good, dismissing it as trivial.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Oct 21, 2010 17:00:36 GMT -5
Well THAT didn't take long....
Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Oct 21, 2010 17:09:15 GMT -5
I thought it was going to be a happy ending.
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Post by millring on Oct 21, 2010 17:10:23 GMT -5
Well THAT didn't take long.... Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com. That could be interesting. I've always like Williams. It will be interesting to see if people with whom he's agreed for the past twenty years now begin to savage him.
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Post by billhammond on Oct 21, 2010 17:11:04 GMT -5
Well THAT didn't take long.... Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com. Man, I gotta start insulting me some Muslims!
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Post by Fingerplucked on Oct 21, 2010 17:12:05 GMT -5
Flying muslims. Don't forget the flying part.
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Post by millring on Oct 21, 2010 17:12:48 GMT -5
starring Sali Fhield
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