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Post by Hobson on Jul 22, 2011 18:18:35 GMT -5
Just goes to show that it takes more than rhythmic pull to make a good song. Maybe I'm just old, but I can't make myself like rap or even understand the appeal. I could have picked from hundreds of examples. www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s |
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 22, 2011 19:10:21 GMT -5
They can rhyme but they can't spell. They left the "C" out.
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Post by RickW on Jul 23, 2011 0:27:09 GMT -5
I think what I most object to is the viciousness and anger of much of it. But the style of music was born out of anger, so I guess it fits. Justn't doesn't work anymore when it's multi-millionaires being angry.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Jul 23, 2011 5:53:16 GMT -5
I could have picked from hundreds of examples. Yeah, but they're all the same song. |
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 23, 2011 6:04:12 GMT -5
I think what I most object to is the viciousness and anger of much of it. But the style of music was born out of anger, so I guess it fits. Justn't doesn't work anymore when it's multi-millionaires being angry. Must have learned it from our congress, "doesn't work anymore when it's multi-millionaires being angry". |
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Post by iamjohnne on Jul 23, 2011 6:33:43 GMT -5
I admire the use of words, I can't rhyme worth a flip.
What always got me about rap though is the use of someone elses music track to rap to.
I personally know several local rappers (they seem to migrate to the call center I work in) Some of them have even reached national fame. I can never get an answer as to why they don't create their own music.
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Post by theevan on Jul 23, 2011 6:36:03 GMT -5
As Durante would say, "Revolt'n"
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Post by Fingerplucked on Jul 23, 2011 6:44:09 GMT -5
I personally know several local rappers (they seem to migrate to the call center I work in) Some of them have even reached national fame. I can never get an answer as to why they don't create their own music. If they had enough creativity to come up with an answer, they'd be able to tell you that they lack creativity. |
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Post by John B on Jul 23, 2011 8:49:27 GMT -5
Hey you kids! Get offa my lawn!
Interesting that the song you picked is about going through rehab for drugs and alcohol. Not necessarily my cup of tea, but the overall message is positive.
I'm not afraid to take a stand
Everybody come take my hand
We'll walk this road together, through the storm
Whatever weather, cold or warm
Just let you know that, you're not alone
Holla if you feel that you've been down the same road
And I just can't keep living this way
So starting today, I'm breaking out of this cage
I'm standing up, Imma face my demons
I'm manning up, Imma hold my ground
I've had enough, now I'm so fed up
Time to put my life back together right now
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no more drama from now on, I promise
To focus solely on handling my responsibilities as a father
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Cause I'm raising the bar, I shoot for the moon
But I'm too busy gazing at stars, I feel amazing and
I'm not afraid to take a stand... (and the rest of the chorus)
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Post by Hobson on Jul 23, 2011 9:04:26 GMT -5
Believe me, it was difficult to find a rap song that didn't have a lot of offensive lyrics. Not that I knew where to look.
So the rest of you geezers can't explain the appeal either.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 23, 2011 9:10:18 GMT -5
I think what I most object to is the viciousness and anger of much of it. But the style of music was born out of anger, so I guess it fits. Justn't doesn't work anymore when it's multi-millionaires being angry. Interesting observation. The song (and I use that term loosely) was OK for me in the intro and the startup. But when he gets rolling into the rapid repetitive jive talk, it doesn't go anywhere and looses me. It's too hard to understand what he's saying. But moreover, it doesn't develop into anything. It just stays in the same emotional space and wallows in it. I suppose every music style has some of that happening for the aficionados of the genre. But I like to see a song start somewhere and go somewhere. . . . , but I digress. What really struck a chord in Rick's post is that there is always a disconnect, in all forms of protest music, that is produced by the big buck music industry Juggernaut. How can anyone truthfully protest against society from a position at the top of that society's food chain ? Let me hear you say hippo critic.  |
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Post by John B on Jul 23, 2011 9:30:12 GMT -5
Believe me, it was difficult to find a rap song that didn't have a lot of offensive lyrics. Not that I knew where to look. So the rest of you geezers can't explain the appeal either. Granted, this is not something I would listen to on a quiet Sunday afternoon. Or a loud Sunday afternoon. Marshall, if I ever get a tattoo, it might be of the dancing hippo and alligator from Fantasia. |
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Post by Marshall on Jul 23, 2011 9:39:28 GMT -5
;D
(How's the move going?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 10:07:03 GMT -5
I'm ok with rap in small doses. It's not my norm, but I think there is talent there and it's a lot harder to rap that it appears. It's all about the attitude, the tone, the inflection, and that rhythmic pull. A lot of music critics whom I've respected over the years have stated Eminem is a genius. Perhaps, but I don't know much about rap. I liked Public Enemy when they first came out because they had a lot of college radio cross over (so did Dwight Yoakam) and they were writing about racial injustice long before they became rich.
It's just music for a large segment of young people and it's not that different from when the elder generation complained about the Beatles mop tops and their awful rock and roll music I guess.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 23, 2011 13:16:38 GMT -5
Chad Mitchell Trio song:
The bird of freedom has a golden wing
And brotherhood is a commercial thing
All you really need is a guitar
That's all you really need to be a star
The wind of change is on the way
The sound of protest has begun to pay
Tell them about the dream you had last night
How every politician saw the light
Just keep those dollar bills way out of sight
Because a well-fed rebel don't look right
Some rebels are commercial, some are not
Some rebels make a million, some get shot
If a halo isn't worth the risk
Why not settle for a golden disk?
The wind of change is on the way
The sound of protest has begun to pay
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Post by John B on Jul 23, 2011 13:32:30 GMT -5
;D (How's the move going?)  |
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Post by dradtke on Jul 23, 2011 16:32:13 GMT -5
Let me hear you say hippo critic. He sure is fat. And his teeth are yellow. I bet he smells bad. |
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Post by Tamarack on Jul 24, 2011 8:45:15 GMT -5
My son is heavily inclined to rap and hip-hop and he has been disturbing the peace and driving me crazy for the last decade. In my conversations with him and unavoidable listening I have come to realize that rap takes considerable talent and skill in creating rhymes, speaking in rhythmic rhyme, and interacting with other artists.* The electronic part of sampling, creating beats, etc. also isn't as easy as it seems.
A couple of years ago National Geographic did an article on Tanzania that included young rappers teaming up with old griots to produce some interesting stuff.
(I still can't stand that misogynistic gangsta sh*t)
* I have had to come a long way to use "rap" and "artist" in the same sentence.
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Post by Phil N. Theblank on Jul 25, 2011 12:32:31 GMT -5
I have to agree with Bruce M, rap is short for Crap. Ever tried to whistle a rap song? Another, repulsive part of the music biz is the use of auto tune. The link below is most likely a fake. Extra credit given for listening to the whole thing. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTNquPzvbWY |
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Post by Jawbone on Jul 25, 2011 12:54:27 GMT -5
I must be getting senile in my old age, 'cause I liked it. And if I was 20-25 I'd really like it.
Where is it written that art is not subjective? That's the appeal of art, that it is subjective.
I actually bought the last Black Eyed Peas CD. A tad repetitive at times, but I found it quite interesting and rhythmic.
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