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Post by billhammond on Aug 16, 2011 19:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 19:34:14 GMT -5
I watched that last night and Stewart is spot-on. Whatever you think of Ron Paul, this kind of treatment (by my own profession) is wrong. He comes in second and he's viewed as a circus sideshow not worth mentioning.
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Post by Phil N. Theblank on Aug 16, 2011 19:37:03 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 19:53:59 GMT -5
13th floor in a hotel... lol
I think it's a matter of been there, done that. He's like Dennis Kucinich, done it so many times it's hard to take him seriously. I'm not saying that it's right, I just think that's the reason why.
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Post by billhammond on Aug 16, 2011 20:13:33 GMT -5
13th floor in a hotel... lol I think it's a matter of been there, done that. He's like Dennis Kucinich, done it so many times it's hard to take him seriously. I'm not saying that it's right, I just think that's the reason why. But when he has done it before and no one is paying attention and then he almost upsets the Iowa-born darling who PAID FOR all the tickets of those who went to her tent (something I doubt that Paul did), isn't that a HUGE STORY? |
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Post by Russell Letson on Aug 16, 2011 20:47:02 GMT -5
I thought the real story was what a charade the whole Iowa Straw Poll process is and has always been. Aside from the combination of circus (or petting zoo or music fest) atmosphere and the here's-a-free-ticket-vote-for-me protocol, there's the fact that it's a piss-poor predictor of the actual GOP nominee. Great photo op/messaging platform and fund-raiser (or fund-sink, if you're Pawlenty), but not much more.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Aug 16, 2011 21:05:16 GMT -5
Here I was thinking the news story was that the winner couldn't find three facts if you gave her two plus a strong hint.
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Post by millring on Aug 17, 2011 7:33:01 GMT -5
Well, if the straw poll is meaningless, the oversight only bodes well for Paul.
Paul is, if people were to be honest, the only "Centrist" in the entire Democratic/Republican field, if current characterizations of "Centrist" are to be taken seriously. That is, like most people who call themselves "Centrist", he holds extreme views that are all over the political spectrum. That's the true nature of most centrists today -- not that they believe in nothing, but that their views are not adequately defined by one party. I'd say it is the "moderate" who is the one more accurately described as holding no opinions beyond cooperation and compromise in order to get the stuff we want from the government. Unfortunately, moderates and centrists get lumped together, further confusing the discussion.
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Post by PaulKay on Aug 17, 2011 7:49:45 GMT -5
I watched that on John Stewart last night and chuckled. And I do think it is unfair of the media to simply ignore him or marginalize him. I can see Fox doing something like that, but not CNN or the major networks. They don't have to like him or even agree with him, but they shouldn't be making those kinds of blatant judgement calls about him.
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Post by AlanC on Aug 17, 2011 7:55:13 GMT -5
I really hope that he stays in long enough for me to vote for him. He always has to quit before our primaries. I think I'm gonna ask my secretary if I have any money so I can donate a few dollars to him.
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Post by drlj on Aug 17, 2011 8:17:44 GMT -5
Great video. I missed that when it was broadcast.
LJ
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Post by Marshall on Aug 17, 2011 8:36:21 GMT -5
Wow. That is beautiful. Wildly funny. And damned true, ain't it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 8:46:38 GMT -5
Well, if the straw poll is meaningless, the oversight only bodes well for Paul. Paul is, if people were to be honest, the only "Centrist" in the entire Democratic/Republican field, if current characterizations of "Centrist" are to be taken seriously. That is, like most people who call themselves "Centrist", he holds extreme views that are all over the political spectrum. That's the true nature of most centrists today -- not that they believe in nothing, but that their views are not adequately defined by one party. I'd say it is the "moderate" who is the one more accurately described as holding no opinions beyond cooperation and compromise in order to get the stuff we want from the government. Unfortunately, moderates and centrists get lumped together, further confusing the discussion. Then I prefer my centrists more like Bernie Sanders |
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Post by AlanC on Aug 17, 2011 8:51:22 GMT -5
I think his main contribution would be to get conservatives/evangelicals/Republicans to rethink their ingrained militarism. I am just speaking to what I see down here in Red State Land if this is not how you see it where you live please indulge me my limited POV. The first instinct of all my acquaintances, church members, coffee shop yokels, etc. is to bomb first and ask questions later. One of the main problems with my fundamentalist church children-of-god type brethren is that they are a bloodthirsty lot who will blindly support just about any military action no matter how stupid it is. (As that famous Western song stylist so eloquently said "Yes, Jesus loves me- but he can't stand you) If RP's message of separating Defense from Militarism could just gain a little traction with the Republicans, I would feel much better about us as a nation. If he were president, however, I think he would probably wreck the economy. I don't know exactly why I believe that; it's just a gut feeling. But I'm hoping before they put him out to pasture, his non-interventionist viewpoint gets a little more exposure.
ps I made a contribution and signed up to volunteer.
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Post by millring on Aug 17, 2011 8:53:40 GMT -5
Well, if the straw poll is meaningless, the oversight only bodes well for Paul. Paul is, if people were to be honest, the only "Centrist" in the entire Democratic/Republican field, if current characterizations of "Centrist" are to be taken seriously. That is, like most people who call themselves "Centrist", he holds extreme views that are all over the political spectrum. That's the true nature of most centrists today -- not that they believe in nothing, but that their views are not adequately defined by one party. I'd say it is the "moderate" who is the one more accurately described as holding no opinions beyond cooperation and compromise in order to get the stuff we want from the government. Unfortunately, moderates and centrists get lumped together, further confusing the discussion. Then I prefer my centrists more like Bernie Sanders Exactly. |
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Post by millring on Aug 17, 2011 8:57:10 GMT -5
And the hypocrisy not to be overlooked....if by some miracle, Paul became the Republican candidate, Stewart would be his ridiculer-in-chief. So Stewart doesn't think Paul is a kook to be ignored.....UNTIL he has a chance at being the Republican Candidate. It's like Stewart telling us at the "Rally To Restore Sanity", that WE needed to tone down our rhetoric....while he LEADS the pack of ridicule from the left.
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Post by drlj on Aug 17, 2011 9:02:14 GMT -5
You take Stewart far too seriously, John.
LJ
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Post by millring on Aug 17, 2011 9:02:44 GMT -5
I think his main contribution would be to get conservatives/evangelicals/Republicans to rethink their ingrained militarism. I am just speaking to what I see down here in Red State Land if this is not how you see it where you live please indulge me my limited POV. The first instinct of all my acquaintances, church members, coffee shop yokels, etc. is to bomb first and ask questions later. One of the main problems with my fundamentalist church children-of-god type brethren is that they are a bloodthirsty lot who will blindly support just about any military action no matter how stupid it is. (As that famous Western song stylist so eloquently said "Yes, Jesus loves me- but he can't stand you) If RP's message of separating Defense from Militarism could just gain a little traction with the Republicans, I would feel much better about us as a nation. If he were president, however, I think he would probably wreck the economy. I don't know exactly why I believe that; it's just a gut feeling. But I'm hoping before they put him out to pasture, his non-interventionist viewpoint gets a little more exposure. ps I made a contribution and signed up to volunteer. Other than the "wrecking the economy" bit, I agree. I've spent many fruitless hours arguing with my family -- trying to make the point that conservatives had always been NON-interventionist, and should return to that position ... that being interventionist is the very way that the "Neo-cons" supplanted the conservative message from the Republican Party and ruined it and any chance for the Republicans to be the party to bring us back to fiscal sanity. |
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Post by millring on Aug 17, 2011 9:03:38 GMT -5
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Post by drlj on Aug 17, 2011 9:08:38 GMT -5
Yeah, just because they take him far to seriously does not mean you should take him far too seriously.
Hyperbole rolls through the media from both sides.
Funny is funny. I watch Stewart for comic relief not for political news.
I get my political opinions the way all Americans do. I toss some dust into the air, see which way it is blowing and head in the other direction.
LJ
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