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Post by jdd2 on Apr 9, 2013 20:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Apr 9, 2013 21:46:27 GMT -5
Perfect for the aging sniper
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 9, 2013 21:58:11 GMT -5
This is not representative of what gun owners aspire to. I once made myself unpopular with some professional elk guides, whom I wasn't paying but with whose clients I was camped. They'd been encouraging their clients to take shots from 400 yards or more. I commented that I'd won riflery competitions (true) and I still would never shoot at an elk from much more than about 200-250 yards, simply because you couldn't be really confident of a clean kill any farther out, and it was irresponsible to wound an animal you might not recover. The elk guides took that as an implied criticism. It certainly was. Most people I've hunted with have had attitudes more like mine than like those of the elk guides.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 22:03:37 GMT -5
I'm around guns at work all day. The last thing I'd want right now is to be around them when I'm off work.
Besides, paying that much for a scope is rilfe and scope is something I'd not entertain. I can think of much better uses for $17K.
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Post by Doug on Apr 9, 2013 22:59:25 GMT -5
Basically I'm with Flake. You don't take shots at ranges that your rifle is not up to. I grew up when .22LR was a legal deer round and I learned that early. It's not hard to hit a deer at 100 yds with a .22 but beyond 35 yds or so it's not enough bullet for the game. So I was glad to see it banned even though I used it right. Deer size game 200yds with 30-30 types, 350 with 06 types, and 500 if you want to shoot the big mags and that implies that you can hit things at those ranges. Elk size game cut at least 100 yds off each one.
The .338 Lapua Magnum is one of those that hurts on both ends of the rifle. So if you are someone who's put multiple hundred rounds though that rifle and can hit what you shoot at 400 for an Elk would be OK
But I don't know about you big guys but the 06 types are as big as I want to shoot a lot of rounds through.
BTW if you need to shoot a deer with a .22 range should be in the same range you would use buckshot in your bird gun.
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 9, 2013 23:03:50 GMT -5
Paul, what do you suppose sniper training costs? (Or the rifles for that.) Tho I'm sure that training involves much more than just accuracy, this kit could give more people more range. For some conditions, that might be important.
On the con side, the laser probably gives away your location.
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Post by xyrn on Apr 9, 2013 23:07:24 GMT -5
This is not representative of what gun owners aspire to. I once made myself unpopular with some professional elk guides, whom I wasn't paying but with whose clients I was camped. They'd been encouraging their clients to take shots from 400 yards or more. I commented that I'd won riflery competitions (true) and I still would never shoot at an elk from much more than about 200-250 yards, simply because you couldn't be really confident of a clean kill any farther out, and it was irresponsible to wound an animal you might not recover. The elk guides took that as an implied criticism. It certainly was. Most people I've hunted with have had attitudes more like mine than like those of the elk guides. +1. The best hunters, and those I respect most use bushcraft, stalking skills, experience and patience to get as CLOSE to the animal as possible before taking the precise shot. Really, anyone with a little range time could take an oblivious mule deer at 500yds with a half-decent rifle/scope combo (I'm talking under a grand, total cost). Wild animals have keen senses and get really skittish when humans get close, it would be much more impressive (to me) to hear about someone taking a deer at 30 yds than 300. Heck, some Native Americans had the skill to take down a whitetail with a knife, that is hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 6:02:32 GMT -5
That is a assassins rifle for amateurs. I can't think of any real hunters that would want or need it but if you want someone dead a 17k DIY kit is much cheaper than 100k for a hired pro. I think this thing falls under the category of "Things that got made because they could" and we would all probably be better off if they didn't.
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 10, 2013 9:13:25 GMT -5
I think the demographic will be the guy with a 911 Porsche Carrera Turbo, a fanned fret Brazilian Somogyi, a vintage P51 Mustang, five ex-wives, and an estate large enough to shoot 1000 yards and still be in his back yard.
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Post by patrick on Apr 10, 2013 9:25:19 GMT -5
Just great. Auto tune comes to political assassination.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 10, 2013 9:43:00 GMT -5
That is a assassins rifle for amateurs. I can't think of any real hunters that would want or need it but if you want someone dead a 17k DIY kit is much cheaper than 100k for a hired pro. I think this thing falls under the category of "Things that got made because they could" and we would all probably be better off if they didn't. Jim Bowie was real good with a knife. Technology marches on. The next war (tomorrow?) will be fought with droids and computerized marksman. Anybody targeting Kim Jung Whatshisface?
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Post by david on Apr 10, 2013 10:31:28 GMT -5
I don't want it. It certainly is not necessary for any big game hunting with which I am familiar. I wish it were not available to others. I think any gun that delays firing after the trigger pull is inherently dangerous.
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Post by Doug on Apr 10, 2013 12:10:50 GMT -5
I don't want it. It certainly is not necessary for any big game hunting with which I am familiar. I wish it were not available to others. I think any gun that delays firing after the trigger pull is inherently dangerous. ;D ;D Ever fired a matchlock? ;D or even a flintlock.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 12:35:22 GMT -5
This is not representative of what gun owners aspire to. I once made myself unpopular with some professional elk guides, whom I wasn't paying but with whose clients I was camped. They'd been encouraging their clients to take shots from 400 yards or more. I commented that I'd won riflery competitions (true) and I still would never shoot at an elk from much more than about 200-250 yards, simply because you couldn't be really confident of a clean kill any farther out, and it was irresponsible to wound an animal you might not recover. The elk guides took that as an implied criticism. It certainly was. Most people I've hunted with have had attitudes more like mine than like those of the elk guides. Agreed! I also take offense to people who hunt deer with dogs. They sit by their vehicles, wait for the dogs to flush the deer out, and take their shots. Kinda like a shooting gallery. This should never have been legal, IMO.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Apr 10, 2013 12:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by Doug on Apr 10, 2013 14:23:31 GMT -5
This is not representative of what gun owners aspire to. I once made myself unpopular with some professional elk guides, whom I wasn't paying but with whose clients I was camped. They'd been encouraging their clients to take shots from 400 yards or more. I commented that I'd won riflery competitions (true) and I still would never shoot at an elk from much more than about 200-250 yards, simply because you couldn't be really confident of a clean kill any farther out, and it was irresponsible to wound an animal you might not recover. The elk guides took that as an implied criticism. It certainly was. Most people I've hunted with have had attitudes more like mine than like those of the elk guides. Agreed! I also take offense to people who hunt deer with dogs. They sit by their vehicles, wait for the dogs to flush the deer out, and take their shots. Kinda like a shooting gallery. This should never have been legal, IMO. I"ve hunted deer in dog hunt states and have seen modern dog hunting and old fashion dog hunting. I like old fashion dog hunting (before pickups and CBs) But even with modern dog hunting dog hunters never kill anywhere near the deer the still or stand hunters do, it's just not a very efficient way to hunt deer. If you've hunted birds with dogs it's not much different than old fashion dog hunting, just a whole lot wetter. Till I was grown I didn't know you could hunt deer with out wading through water to your waist. I get bored by modern dog hunting but I don't dislike them because they slaughter deer because they don't. Like any other kind of deer hunting the most deer are killed opening weekend when the deer are dumb after that deer are too smart to cross roads.
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