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Nov 17, 2014 13:54:03 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 17, 2014 13:54:03 GMT -5
If Glen Campbell had sung David Gates songs, David Gates might be viewed as favorably as Jimmy Webb?
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Nov 17, 2014 14:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by billhammond on Nov 17, 2014 14:06:47 GMT -5
And here he is not too long ago, still has a great voice and great songs:
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Nov 17, 2014 15:32:10 GMT -5
Post by PaulKay on Nov 17, 2014 15:32:10 GMT -5
Back in the days when carbon fiber was only the BACK of the guitar.
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Nov 17, 2014 21:31:04 GMT -5
Post by RickW on Nov 17, 2014 21:31:04 GMT -5
That was plastic. CF had not been invented yet. I loved my old Ovation classical. Should not have sold it. God that man could write chord progressions and melodies. The arrangements were pretty sappy at times, which I don't think helped his reputation.
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Nov 18, 2014 7:53:23 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 7:53:23 GMT -5
I'd love to know why coincidences so often seem like more than coincidence. What made me bring up David Gates was a lunchtime conversation with my friend, Kevin. We were discussing what it was about the production of the early seventies teen pop -- The Carpenters, Bread and their ilk -- that made the music so irresistible to the teen ear. I mentioned an album of Gates' that had this "Suite: Clouds/Rain" that I hadn't heard in more than forty years. When I got home I youtubed to see if I could find that. I did, but I also saw the Campbell/Gates thing -- which curiously confirmed the very premise of Kevin's and my conversation -- that some of the songs transcended the treacley treatment (as illustrated when Campbell sings song #2 in the medley).
Anyway, so I brought up Gates at lunch... and on "The Voice" last night, one of the singers did "If"....the Gates song, and the very song title I used as an obscurely relative thread title.
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Nov 18, 2014 8:33:22 GMT -5
Post by Bassman on Nov 18, 2014 8:33:22 GMT -5
Its a shame about Glen Campbell
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Nov 18, 2014 8:53:03 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Nov 18, 2014 8:53:03 GMT -5
The problem with this thread.
If—
BY RUDYARD KIPLING
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
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Nov 18, 2014 10:20:04 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 10:20:04 GMT -5
I, and about 6 million other sixth-graders (I imagine) had to memorize that one.
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Nov 18, 2014 10:21:37 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 10:21:37 GMT -5
Actually, I had forgotten the assignment to memorize that, but on the day of recital I hit the jackpot -- they had us go in reverse alphabetical order. That means I got to hear it about twenty times before my time came up. I pretty nearly got it, too.
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Nov 18, 2014 14:21:05 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Nov 18, 2014 14:21:05 GMT -5
Two good performers doing wet-noodle material. Maybe it's just after my time. When Bread was big I was listening to Little Feat and Bach and Grappelli and Mose Allison and Randy Newman and Ry Cooder and such. And since I find the appeal of Jimmy Webb and Leonard Cohen mysterious as well, it's probably just one of my many blind spots.
(On the other hand, I really like John Simon's first two albums, so I'm not sure how to map my tastes.)
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Nov 18, 2014 14:37:17 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 14:37:17 GMT -5
The curious me who wants to understand everything does wonder why I love some stuff that others find unlistenable, but I dislike things that others love....and I dislike them for the very same reasons others tell me they can't stand the things I like. I chalk it up to hormonal receptivity. And then I conclude that I don't know and I go put on another Bread record.
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Nov 18, 2014 14:52:46 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Nov 18, 2014 14:52:46 GMT -5
I just figure that's why there's more than one song. Or movie. Or dogs and cats. Or woman. Or man. (Don't want to leave anybody out.)
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Nov 18, 2014 15:04:16 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 15:04:16 GMT -5
why do you hate trees?
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Nov 18, 2014 15:14:31 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Nov 18, 2014 15:14:31 GMT -5
We're surrounded by oaks, which are a phlegmatic, don't-give-a-shit-one-way-or-the-other kind of tree.
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Nov 18, 2014 15:25:21 GMT -5
Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 15:25:21 GMT -5
I leaned my back up against an oak. I thought it was a trusty tree. But first it swayed and then it broke.
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Nov 18, 2014 16:27:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:27:12 GMT -5
Gotta say the news about Campbell hit me pretty hard. No, wait. I wasn't the one who got hit. Sorry.
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Nov 18, 2014 19:07:51 GMT -5
Post by coachdoc on Nov 18, 2014 19:07:51 GMT -5
Sorry. Jimmy Webb rules. e.g.:
The opening bars alone put him in his own class.
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Nov 18, 2014 19:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Nov 18, 2014 19:36:03 GMT -5
Sorry. Jimmy Webb rules. e.g.: I tend to agree....and then I remember MacArthur Park.
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Nov 18, 2014 19:58:33 GMT -5
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Post by godotwaits on Nov 18, 2014 19:58:33 GMT -5
MacArthur Park.... sheesh what was he thinking??
In retrospect, on that medley, Glen had that incredible Voice that could just put any amount of material right over the top. It is so sad to have lost it. But he did leave us with a lot of sterling memories. Much to Jimmy Webb's advantage.
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Nov 18, 2014 20:55:52 GMT -5
Post by coachdoc on Nov 18, 2014 20:55:52 GMT -5
Sorry. Jimmy Webb rules. e.g.: I tend to agree....and then I remember MacArthur Park. Not a golfer, John? Ever heard of a Mulligan?
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