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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2014 0:23:04 GMT -5
I actually like a tasteful (?) tattoo. I think what Rick's daughter wants to do is very cool. Just don't put in in the tramp-stamp zone. That says "Tramp" to me. Whereas a tasteful ankle, or hip butterfly , or rose, or meaningful symbol somewhere easily concealed or tastefully displayed is quite acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 0:26:56 GMT -5
Albeit "severely self-loathing".
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Post by epaul on Nov 25, 2014 0:28:27 GMT -5
I have an Allis Chalmers "B" tattoed on my left cheek and a John Deere "R" tattooed on my right. Together they make a nice rumble, especially after some chili.
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Post by Doug on Nov 25, 2014 6:56:27 GMT -5
I wonder how much someone must not like the way they naturally look to think a tattoo improves the landscape Have you been to Walmart?
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Post by millring on Nov 25, 2014 7:13:25 GMT -5
Don't know if it is self loathing but I wonder how much someone must not like the way they naturally look to think a tattoo improves the landscape Exactly.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 25, 2014 7:22:01 GMT -5
I get the tattoo thing and at this stage in life I wouldn't have much problem being talked into one. It's not like my wife's name is going to change before I die.
But attributing tattoos to self loathing simply because you don't get it strikes me as attributing motorcycle riding to an inherent death wish because you don't get that.
You don't like it? Fine. No one's forcing you to get one. No need to disparage those who do.
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Post by millring on Nov 25, 2014 8:06:10 GMT -5
It's not disparaging. It's sympathizing.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 25, 2014 8:17:04 GMT -5
It's not disparaging. It's sympathizing. No it's not. Why do you assume they need sympathy? Why does it have to be about improving looks?
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Post by millring on Nov 25, 2014 8:31:46 GMT -5
Why does it have to be about improving looks? It isn't.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 25, 2014 8:57:58 GMT -5
Why does it have to be about improving looks? It isn't. Then what do you need to sympathize with?
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Post by billhammond on Nov 25, 2014 9:01:31 GMT -5
My take on this is that for people in their 20s and 30s (and teens, for that matter), tats and piercings are pretty much a norm, at least in this country. For those now in their 40s and 50s, well, I am not sure about that generation's reasonings/motivations, but they were key to the societal shift.
My daughters, for instance, see so many tats and piercings in their daily lives that they have come to form opinions on which ones they like better than others, rather that seeing them as some sort of diversion from what is "normal." It's part of their generation's Look, almost part of fashion itself.
In that way, it COULD run its course and diminish, but I wouldn't count on it. Yup, there will be nursing homes in the future filled with tatted and pierced residents.
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Post by millring on Nov 25, 2014 9:15:54 GMT -5
Then what do you need to sympathize with? That I quite often see it as a sign of unhappiness with ones natural state. I'm not saying that I respond that way to all tattoos. I'm saying that I see self-mutilation as a scream of dissatisfaction with life. And that the majority of tattoos are a sign of the weakness of sheep following the one in front doesn't make me feel any better about them.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 25, 2014 9:20:16 GMT -5
Then what do you need to sympathize with? That I quite often see it as a sign of unhappiness with ones natural state. I'm not saying that I respond that way to all tattoos. I'm saying that I see self-mutilation as a scream of dissatisfaction with life. And that the majority of tattoos are a sign of the weakness of sheep following the one in front doesn't make me feel any better about them. Well I'm at least happy that they help you feel so much better about yourself.
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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2014 9:33:14 GMT -5
It's about making a statement. It's sort of like being called a musician. It's OK to dabble with it in your own home, or at church on Sunday. But to go out and perform in public and make a public commitment to your art, is a scary thing. You expose yourself to ridicule. But, if you love what you do, you say you're willing to wear that label. It's seen by the wearers as a badge of courage.
I think it's also about compromises we have to make in every day life. That we all feel, to some extent, that we are pigeon-holed into a definition of ourselves by "society", that is not what our whole person is about. So, we have a desire to make a statement; I'm more than just this. [I'm reminded that marketers tell us professionals that we are always to have our "elevator speech" ready at all times; the one minute schpeal that tells everyone who you are and what you do. What sets you apart. It's a caricature of yourself. - many people rebel against this lie.]
Admittedly, many (most?) tats go too far, (or are in bad taste). In fact they are more defining, than liberating in the eyes of most people who view them. But that shocked response from the everyday-world is part of what drives many people to do this, I surmise. Putting people back on their heels, is a rush. Whereas without the tats, they'd be invisible.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 25, 2014 9:42:31 GMT -5
It's about making a statement. It's sort of like being called a musician. It's OK to dabble with it in your own home, or at church on Sunday. But to go out and perform in public and make a public commitment to your art, is a scary thing. You expose yourself to ridicule. But, if you love what you do, you say you're willing to wear that label. It's seen by the wearers as a badge of courage. I think it's also about compromises we have to make in every day life. That we all feel, to some extent, that we are pigeon-holed into a definition of ourselves by "society", that is not what our whole person is about. So, we have a desire to make a statement; I'm more than just this. [I'm reminded that marketers tell us professionals that we are always to have our "elevator speech" ready at all times; the one minute schpeal that tells everyone who you are and what you do. What sets you apart. It's a caricature of yourself. - many people rebel against this lie.] Admittedly, many (most?) tats go too far, (or are in bad taste). In fact they are more defining, than liberating in the eyes of most people who view them. But that shocked response from the everyday-world is part of what drives many people to do this, I surmise. Putting people back on their heels, is a rush. Whereas without the tats, they'd be invisible. But the more and more people who get them, the less dramatic a statement it is. In fact, people with big tattoos are so commonplace in cities that I hardly notice them anymore. I spose it's like jeans back in the day -- they made a statement about the young rebels who rescued them from the construction trade and made them the New Look of Youth. Today, who doesn't have multiple pairs of jeans?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:55:17 GMT -5
Ich fühle mich verpflichtet, Rechtschreibfehler zu korrigieren. Tut mir leid!
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Post by millring on Nov 25, 2014 10:16:16 GMT -5
That I quite often see it as a sign of unhappiness with ones natural state. I'm not saying that I respond that way to all tattoos. I'm saying that I see self-mutilation as a scream of dissatisfaction with life. And that the majority of tattoos are a sign of the weakness of sheep following the one in front doesn't make me feel any better about them. Well I'm at least happy that they help you feel so much better about yourself. What would make you suppose that? The very nature of sympathy is understanding a shared human nature.
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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2014 10:22:59 GMT -5
But the more and more people who get them, the less dramatic a statement it is. In fact, people with big tattoos are so commonplace in cities that I hardly notice them anymore. I spose it's like jeans back in the day -- they made a statement about the young rebels who rescued them from the construction trade and made them the New Look of Youth. Today, who doesn't have multiple pairs of jeans? That's always the fallacy of rebellious non-conformist behavior. By the time it gets noticed, it has become the new conformity. But we're all picking and choosing the style of conformity that most closely suits our vision of ourselves. But like tramp says, you can always change your clothes. "Gramp Stamp" -
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Post by Doug on Nov 25, 2014 10:25:41 GMT -5
How about all forum members have a music tat. I got mine.
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