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Post by aquaduct on Feb 1, 2015 23:12:21 GMT -5
We have to keep in mind that outfits like IS arise in regions that are, largely, lawless and ungoverned and atrocities can be committed without consequence. If the same conditions existed in the U.S., there are groups who would do the same thing, maybe sans the video beheadings. Do you really think some of the late Fred Phelps' followers wouldn't resort to violence if they knew there'd be few, if any, consequences? And it has happened in the U.S. Consider the whole "Bleeding Kansas" era -- particularly the night when a group of Bible-toting anti-slavery abolitionists dragged five pro-slavery leaders from their homes in the dead of night and hacked them to death with broadswords. Those were Americans who felt God compelled them to kill fellow Americans. A glorious bit of misdirection. It doesn't happen here, does it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 4:11:05 GMT -5
We have to keep in mind that outfits like IS arise in regions that are, largely, lawless and ungoverned and atrocities can be committed without consequence. If the same conditions existed in the U.S., there are groups who would do the same thing, maybe sans the video beheadings. Do you really think some of the late Fred Phelps' followers wouldn't resort to violence if they knew there'd be few, if any, consequences? And it has happened in the U.S. Consider the whole "Bleeding Kansas" era -- particularly the night when a group of Bible-toting anti-slavery abolitionists dragged five pro-slavery leaders from their homes in the dead of night and hacked them to death with broadswords. Those were Americans who felt God compelled them to kill fellow Americans. A glorious bit of misdirection. It doesn't happen here, does it? Your snide aside, yes, it has happened here. As the pre-Civil War period in Missouri and Kansas demonstrates, when our own American forefathers found themselves in a relatively lawless, consequence-free environment and were divided by a contentious issue and fought over territory, they were capable of barbarity against their fellow Americans. And some of them used religion to justify their violence. So, yeah, it has happened here.
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Post by theevan on Feb 2, 2015 5:48:50 GMT -5
We have to keep in mind that outfits like IS arise in regions that are, largely, lawless and ungoverned and atrocities can be committed without consequence. If the same conditions existed in the U.S., there are groups who would do the same thing, maybe sans the video beheadings. Do you really think some of the late Fred Phelps' followers wouldn't resort to violence if they knew there'd be few, if any, consequences? And it has happened in the U.S. Consider the whole "Bleeding Kansas" era -- particularly the night when a group of Bible-toting anti-slavery abolitionists dragged five pro-slavery leaders from their homes in the dead of night and hacked them to death with broadswords. Those were Americans who felt God compelled them to kill fellow Americans. No. That wouldn't happen. I think the likelier possibility, should societal order break down, would be anarchistic race wars...such as was seen in Zimbabwe post-Rhodesia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 7:00:29 GMT -5
We have to keep in mind that outfits like IS arise in regions that are, largely, lawless and ungoverned and atrocities can be committed without consequence. If the same conditions existed in the U.S., there are groups who would do the same thing, maybe sans the video beheadings. Do you really think some of the late Fred Phelps' followers wouldn't resort to violence if they knew there'd be few, if any, consequences? And it has happened in the U.S. Consider the whole "Bleeding Kansas" era -- particularly the night when a group of Bible-toting anti-slavery abolitionists dragged five pro-slavery leaders from their homes in the dead of night and hacked them to death with broadswords. Those were Americans who felt God compelled them to kill fellow Americans. No. That wouldn't happen. I think the likelier possibility, should societal order break down, would be anarchistic race wars...such as was seen in Zimbabwe post-Rhodesia. I would hope you're right, but as someone who spent nearly four decades interviewing thousands of people for all manner of stories, I think people do what they can get away with. Human nature and all that.
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Post by millring on Feb 2, 2015 8:31:06 GMT -5
One of the strangest phenomena to arise out of the radical Islam issue is that I'm watching as fundamentalist Christians are demanding that Muslims be denied the very right of religious freedom they demand for themselves....and they don't see it. And the truth is more likely that the hammer they're demanding be used to pound down the Muslims in America is the very hammer that is soon gleefully going to be used on them.
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Post by dradtke on Feb 2, 2015 9:54:26 GMT -5
But John, if you say that in public, you'll be accused of being anti-Christian.
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