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Post by drlj on Feb 1, 2015 8:41:50 GMT -5
Republicans don't have ships. They, at best, have dinghies. No motors, just oars and probably only one.
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 1, 2015 9:35:25 GMT -5
If the Democrats want to move to the far left via Sanders or Warren, this would be their golden opportunity to do so. There isn't a Republican alive who could defeat any Democrat. The perfect storm is in place and no Republican ship is ever going to safely navigate it. You may be right but I'm holding on to some faith that you're not and that the average folks who are still hurting will decide to make a change. It's a hope and change thing.
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Post by dradtke on Feb 1, 2015 10:02:32 GMT -5
I expect it will still be Clinton but populist pressure from Warren and Sanders will move her away from Third Way Republican lite. Anyone who thinks Clinton is "left" is delusional.
On the Republican side we'll still have a parade of Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and the crowd of usual suspects. Way too early to make predictions.
The surprise winner will happen in 2020. Pass the popcorn.
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Post by millring on Feb 1, 2015 10:32:39 GMT -5
the average folks who are still hurting will decide to make a change. That's the change that has happened. We are now past the tipping point. We've crossed the line of no return. The more the "average folks" hurt, the more they will cling to the Democratic Party that offers them help. We no longer believe we are capable of making it on our own....and, truth be told, we aren't. Once we exceeded 50% dependency on government, we made it impossible, in a democracy, to choose personal responsibility.
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 1, 2015 10:41:57 GMT -5
the average folks who are still hurting will decide to make a change. That's the change that has happened. We are now past the tipping point. We've crossed the line of no return. The more the "average folks" hurt, the more they will cling to the Democratic Party that offers them help. We no longer believe we are capable of making it on our own....and, truth be told, we aren't. Once we exceeded 50% dependency on government, we made it impossible, in a democracy, to choose personal responsibility. Gotta love these proclamations...! :smiley-of-your-choice:
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Post by millring on Feb 1, 2015 11:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 1, 2015 11:10:36 GMT -5
the average folks who are still hurting will decide to make a change. That's the change that has happened. We are now past the tipping point. We've crossed the line of no return. The more the "average folks" hurt, the more they will cling to the Democratic Party that offers them help. We no longer believe we are capable of making it on our own....and, truth be told, we aren't. Once we exceeded 50% dependency on government, we made it impossible, in a democracy, to choose personal responsibility. My little historically Democrat area went Republican last year and the population hasn't changed. I'm hoping it means they figured out they weren't getting anything but promises from Democrats. It's the independents that matter not the party bases. The polls say that if the 2012 election was held now, Romney would win in a landslide. I think that's Obama fatigue and if it holds up and the Republicans can pass popular legislation that Obama vetoes so it becomes obvious that the real hangup is Democrats, there may still be hope for the country. The Dems keep calling the Reps the party of no but it was Harry Reid that held up all the legislation. If enough Koch money can get that truth out to the public, there may still be hope. Now, the real trick is for the Republicans to find someone who can get the word out and get some attention and the needed attention is the independents who still have a brain to understand the news. The hard left and right are not enough to take an election. There's several percentage points owned by independents, real independents not 3rd party nuts, people who want a change and know it will have to come from the major candidate. Should be fun to watch if they pick one as quick witted as Christie and fiscally responsible as Walker. I don't know all the possibles well enough to know whether that person exists.
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Post by millring on Feb 1, 2015 11:15:58 GMT -5
My little historically Democrat area went Republican last year and the population hasn't changed. Off year elections don't accurately predict national attitudes. Sure, when the electorate is split into regions and basically disinterested, Republicans can win an election here and there -- especially when numbers stack up in their favor. But Democrats believe in a Royal Presidency to a far greater degree than do Republicans -- the occasional Reagan worshiper notwithstanding. When there is a presidential election, the Democrats will turn out in FAR greater numbers. Make the Democratic candidate a popular figure, characterized as "history-making" and you have a recipe for landslides like Obama's last two. We won't see another Republican president in our lifetime.
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Post by Doug on Feb 1, 2015 11:22:44 GMT -5
I'd like to see a race where there was a difference in the candidates. Last time I can think of was Jimmy/Ronnie, since then there hasn't been a difference between the candidates.
Not going to make a big difference to me as the chances I'd vote for a Demopublican are slim and none. And we know that Slim left for Mars last week. But it sure would be more interesting if the two candidates weren't two sides of the same coin.
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