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Post by factorychef on Feb 17, 2015 8:13:34 GMT -5
My friend was telling me about having a tonerite. Not cheap. Do they work ??
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Post by Dub on Feb 17, 2015 8:26:22 GMT -5
I have one. They work great. If a guitar hasn't been played for a while the Tonerite will wake it back up as though you'd been using it regularly. If we weren't performing I probably wouldn't have it but we need to get the best possible sound for an audience.
They can also be useful in breaking in (opening up) a new guitar. Terry used one on the archtop he made for me before it left his shop. I think some builders use them as part of their process.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 8:33:46 GMT -5
Yes they do. The Tonerite vibrator is a replacement for hours/years of playing depending on how long it is used. In a few hours it can wake up a stiff top on a old un-played guitar, or put years of play time on a new guitar if kept on for a month. But it can't replicate the stresses a guitar gets over the years due to climatic changes of temperature and humidity which I think is part of what makes old guitars sound old.
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Post by Doug on Feb 17, 2015 8:35:55 GMT -5
Compact version of putting guitar in front of speakers?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 8:41:46 GMT -5
Compact version of putting guitar in front of speakers? Yes something like that Doug. Don't bother trying one on the Cargo, it won't work. |
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Post by AlanC on Feb 17, 2015 9:58:17 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Feb 17, 2015 10:17:14 GMT -5
Yes they do. The Tonerite vibrator is a replacement for hours/years of playing depending on how long it is used. In a few hours it can wake up a stiff top on a old un-played guitar, or put years of play time on a new guitar if kept on for a month. But it can't replicate the stresses a guitar gets over the years due to climatic changes of temperature and humidity which I think is part of what makes old guitars sound old. What about torrefaction. Aren't some people heating up guitars to simulate the aging process? I don't know anything about it. It strikes me as strange. Guitar wood is kiln dried already to similar temperatures. Maybe heating it in it's final configuration dries out some additional moisture and settles in the wood to it's new configuration. But that's all speculation. |
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Post by drlj on Feb 17, 2015 11:12:32 GMT -5
Torrified wood is kiln dried and the baked to reduce the moisture content to 0%. It is then brought back up to 3 or 4%. This is supposed to make the wood more stable,more flexible and make a new guitar sound like a 20 year old guitar. It adds quite a bit to the price tag. It seems to be all the rage right now.
Beats me if it works but it seems to me to be a part of the mind set that feels there is a perfect guitar out there that will make the player sound wonderful and it ignores the fact that it is the player and his/her ability that makes the guitar sound wonderful.
Maybe guitar vibrators and toasted tops are great but, to me, the way to get the most out of a guitar is to play it and really get to know it. It all seems oh so trendy to me but that is just my reaction. I am going to microwave my uke later and see how much it helps. Should take about a minute.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 17, 2015 12:24:00 GMT -5
Yep, that will work on a Cargo. |
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Post by Village Idiot on Feb 17, 2015 12:49:51 GMT -5
$150. That's a lot of money for a little box.
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Post by Doug on Feb 17, 2015 13:03:07 GMT -5
Torrified wood is kiln dried and the baked to reduce the moisture content to 0%. It is then brought back up to 3 or 4%. This is supposed to make the wood more stable,more flexible and make a new guitar sound like a 20 year old guitar. It adds quite a bit to the price tag. It seems to be all the rage right now. Beats me if it works but it seems to me to be a part of the mind set that feels there is a perfect guitar out there that will make the player sound wonderful and it ignores the fact that it is the player and his/her ability that makes the guitar sound wonderful. Maybe guitar vibrators and toasted tops are great but, to me, the way to get the most out of a guitar is to play it and really get to know it. It all seems oh so trendy to me but that is just my reaction. I am going to microwave my uke later and see how much it helps. Should take about a minute. “Beware the man with one gun, he knows how to use it.” Tell Sackett |
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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2015 13:28:02 GMT -5
I made my own with a $15 vibrator I bought at Walmart. I built a frame (out of scrap wood) that holds the guitar securely as the bridge of the guitar rests against the vibrator pad. I get all the shaking at a tenth of the cost.
(I did demo a Tonerite. My Walmart vibrator was able to easily match (and exceed, if I wished) the vibration output of the Tonerite. The principle is simple and easily duplicated.)
It did not make the guitar I wanted to sound better sound better. Selling the guitar solved the problem.
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Post by drlj on Feb 17, 2015 13:30:47 GMT -5
I have read that people make them from aquarium pumps.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 17, 2015 13:38:28 GMT -5
I have read that people make them from aquarium pumps. A 1965 Lincoln Continental works well, too. I just drove a lot with my guitars in the back seat. The vibrations were perfect, the bad shocks added a little funk, but the gas and oil consumption made it a less than viable option over the long run. |
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Post by Dub on Feb 17, 2015 13:46:16 GMT -5
…My Walmart vibrator was able to easily match (and exceed, if I wished) the vibration output of the Tonerite. The principle is simple and easily duplicated. It did not make the guitar I wanted to sound better sound better. Selling the guitar solved the problem. So, you're saying your jerry-built DIY vibrator didn't actually do what a Tonerite does, right? |
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Post by drlj on Feb 17, 2015 13:54:28 GMT -5
I have read that people make them from aquarium pumps. A 1965 Lincoln Continental works well, too. I just drove a lot with my guitars in the back seat. The vibrations were perfect, the bad shocks added a little funk, but the gas and oil consumption made it a less than viable option over the long run. Plus, a Lincoln is so damned cool. |
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Post by epaul on Feb 17, 2015 14:05:15 GMT -5
I put a Tonerite on it too (thirty-day return policy on the one I had).
What I said was, I believe, that vibrating a guitar I did not like did not turn it into a guitar I liked. I believe that statement would fall under the "Tonerite approved" heading of "Don't expect miracles".
Without commenting one way or another on anyone else's experience with a Tonerite or any other vibration device, it is worth mentioning that vibrating is unlikely to turn a disappointing guitar into one that pleases you. It could, perhaps, but in my case, it didn't. My experience in no way contradicts experiences of "new guitars being broken in" or "unplayed guitars waking up" or "subtle but real improvements in this or that". Nor at all. What I said was, if the guitar is crappy, a vibrator is unlikely to make it uncrappy.
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Post by PaulKay on Feb 17, 2015 15:07:35 GMT -5
Can't you just use the vibrators you already have laying around the bedroom?
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Post by drlj on Feb 17, 2015 16:00:12 GMT -5
Can't you just use the vibrators you already have laying around the bedroom? We want the guitars to sound better, not just feel better. |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Feb 18, 2015 0:54:28 GMT -5
My guitar would feel better if someone with more talent would play it.
Mike
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