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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2015 1:36:15 GMT -5
And who knows how to pronounce "Kanye"?
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2015 1:52:48 GMT -5
I kind of "know" someone who had a friend. This friend enlisted just after HS, came home not liking NCO school, but happened to bring a half-dozen practice grenades--I think all the pop of a real one, but no shrapnel. Much cooler than an M80, I wonder if this would come out if any of those joy-riding, grenade-tossing kids happened to be running for an office.
Same dude sold pot in HS, any number of 'customers' could come forward with that.
And then there's that other guy that tossed a smoke grenade in his company's orderly room one night. (Pink mail the next day.) I think the same guy might have committed perjury once, too, which could definitely end a political career.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2015 2:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by lar on Nov 8, 2015 16:04:41 GMT -5
With all due respect to those of you who think that Carson's West Point story doesn't matter, I think you are wrong. It won't make any difference to those who have already decided whether to vote for him or not. It's likely to make a difference to those, like me, who have not yet made up their minds. The growing number of stories about Carson are really starting to bother me. Whether it's due to the "gotcha" style of journalism or not, the stories are out there and, as far as I can tell, they are real.
I liken making a choice among this year's Republican field to the experience a lot of HR managers are now having. Too many applicants tends to make the selection process one of elimination rather than qualification. Given that I can assure you that a falsification on a resume is nearly always an automatic disqualification by today's HR managers.
I think that most of us can distinguish between being offered a place at West Point and being urged to try for a place at West Point.
When I was a junior or senior in high school I was encouraged to apply to the Air Force Academy by a Colonel in the Air Force Reserve. I would ask Terry Kennedy's wife to serve as my witness here. The Colonel was Joe Haney, the owner of a men's clothing store in Central City. I'm sure she remembers either him or his store. Her dad may have shopped there.
Joe told me that because of his position in the Air Force reserve, he could make a recommendation to members of Nebraska's Congressional delegation to nominate me for an appointment to the Academy. This was not an offer of an appointment nor do I remember it as such. It was an offer to recommend my application to a Member of Congress.
Later on when I was in Navy boot camp in San Diego I found myself alone in an office with a Lt. Commander who wanted to discuss a potential appointment to the Naval Academy. Again, I don't recall this conversation as an offer. I was told that, based on my academic record and the results of various tests I took in boot camp, the Navy had decided that I might be officer material. What he offered was the opportunity to apply for an appointment to the Academy. I disagreed with the Navy's assessment of my potential and declined to apply.
As far as I can see, my experience was similar to Carson's. Except that I had two kicks at the cat. My guess is that opportunities to apply for an appointment were given to thousands each year. It seems that all of us, except Carson, have the ability to understand that the "opportunity" we were offered was no more worthy of inclusion on our respective resumes than an invitation to apply for an American Express card. I think that the distinction between an invitation to apply and an actual offer of appointment is an important one.
This story, as well as the other stories about Carson are making a difference in my efforts to eliminate Republican candidates from my consideration. Unfortunately, I don't have the same issue with regard to the Democratic candidates. As far as I'm concerned, both of the major candidates removed themselves from serious consideration quite some time ago.
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Post by Doug on Nov 8, 2015 16:26:55 GMT -5
Support this eliminate, don't support that eliminate. It's easy for me I eliminate on D or R after the name. After a while it's just me and thee and I"m not sure about thee, but at least boots and a cowboy hat aren't an eliminate.
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 8, 2015 18:26:42 GMT -5
Boots and a hat aren't at all effeminate, unless it's Dale Evans in between 'em.
Wait--"eliminate," not "effeminate."
That's very different.
Never mind.
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Post by patrick on Nov 8, 2015 20:00:11 GMT -5
I really don't get the "gotcha" accusation about these stories. It sounds to me that the reporters were looking for a puff piece. Those are great stories that Carson tells in his books, and simply looking up some of the people in them and doing straightforward interviews on camera would make a great segment on the news.
Until it all turned into hokum.
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Post by lar on Nov 8, 2015 20:04:52 GMT -5
I try not to restrict myself to eliminating simply because of the "R" or the "D". I'd like to believe that I still have the capacity to reason and it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that I might vote for a Democrat one day. I just hope I'm not alive to see it. LOL
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 8, 2015 21:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by TKennedy on Nov 8, 2015 21:42:07 GMT -5
With all due respect to those of you who think that Carson's West Point story doesn't matter, I think you are wrong. It won't make any difference to those who have already decided whether to vote for him or not. It's likely to make a difference to those, like me, who have not yet made up their minds. The growing number of stories about Carson are really starting to bother me. Whether it's due to the "gotcha" style of journalism or not, the stories are out there and, as far as I can tell, they are real. I liken making a choice among this year's Republican field to the experience a lot of HR managers are now having. Too many applicants tends to make the selection process one of elimination rather than qualification. Given that I can assure you that a falsification on a resume is nearly always an automatic disqualification by today's HR managers. I think that most of us can distinguish between being offered a place at West Point and being urged to try for a place at West Point. When I was a junior or senior in high school I was encouraged to apply to the Air Force Academy by a Colonel in the Air Force Reserve. I would ask Terry Kennedy's wife to serve as my witness here. The Colonel was Joe Haney, the owner of a men's clothing store in Central City. I'm sure she remembers either him or his store. Her dad may have shopped there. Joe told me that because of his position in the Air Force reserve, he could make a recommendation to members of Nebraska's Congressional delegation to nominate me for an appointment to the Academy. This was not an offer of an appointment nor do I remember it as such. It was an offer to recommend my application to a Member of Congress. Later on when I was in Navy boot camp in San Diego I found myself alone in an office with a Lt. Commander who wanted to discuss a potential appointment to the Naval Academy. Again, I don't recall this conversation as an offer. I was told that, based on my academic record and the results of various tests I took in boot camp, the Navy had decided that I might be officer material. What he offered was the opportunity to apply for an appointment to the Academy. I disagreed with the Navy's assessment of my potential and declined to apply. As far as I can see, my experience was similar to Carson's. Except that I had two kicks at the cat. My guess is that opportunities to apply for an appointment were given to thousands each year. It seems that all of us, except Carson, have the ability to understand that the "opportunity" we were offered was no more worthy of inclusion on our respective resumes than an invitation to apply for an American Express card. I think that the distinction between an invitation to apply and an actual offer of appointment is an important one. This story, as well as the other stories about Carson are making a difference in my efforts to eliminate Republican candidates from my consideration. Unfortunately, I don't have the same issue with regard to the Democratic candidates. As far as I'm concerned, both of the major candidates removed themselves from serious consideration quite some time ago. Small world Lar Joe Heeney was my wife Pat's dad!! He died from pancreatic Ca in 1991. He was a B-29 pilot out of Guam in the war. He was a great guy. Owned Norsteads Clothing in Central. I am in Central City right now with Pat's mom Ethel who is recovering from a hip fracture and is a real pistol at 91.
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Post by lar on Nov 8, 2015 21:50:42 GMT -5
Terry,
Joe and my dad were friends. I bought my high school graduation suit (who does that anymore?) from him. Great guy.
I'm sorry to say that I never met Mrs. Heeney.
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Post by Dub on Nov 8, 2015 22:12:39 GMT -5
OK, this is one of the coolest exchanges I remember here. Two people I hold the in high regard discover they have more in common than an interest in guitars.
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Post by Village Idiot on Nov 8, 2015 22:31:35 GMT -5
Very cool! Talk about six degrees of seperation. I love that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 23:58:23 GMT -5
Exactly, Lar. Your points about Carson make me as suspect about him as a candidate as did Clinton's lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. Their ham-fisted attempts at explanation are insulting. "How dumb do you think I am," insulting. Makes me wonder whether anything that comes out of their mouths is worth listening too.
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Post by millring on Nov 9, 2015 8:26:14 GMT -5
Makes me wonder whether anything that comes out of their mouths is worth listening too. You'd better hope so. You're going to get an earful from Clinton for the next 8 years.
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Post by TKennedy on Nov 9, 2015 12:18:19 GMT -5
Someone published a tour of the Carson home. Here is are some words to live by engraved in stone. (Although I am not sure what "poverbs" are) Followed by a shrine to his glorious self. And a picture with one of his biggest fans.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 9, 2015 13:20:10 GMT -5
What, he didn't even get the picture signed?
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Post by majorminor on Nov 9, 2015 13:44:11 GMT -5
Which one of the Bee Gees is that?
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Post by theevan on Nov 9, 2015 16:00:00 GMT -5
Okay, Ben has gone and done it now. The Carson's aesthetic sensibility disqualifies him now and forever.
Uh, amen.
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Post by james on Nov 9, 2015 16:21:07 GMT -5
His décor choices are not really what make him a troubling candidate. His policy positions are more of a problem. His embellishment and invention of trite, autobiographical morality tales of his personal redemption to appeal to a gullible religious audience who love that sort of stuff is not surprising. He will never be President but he does have books to sell, media and and speaking fees to earn.
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