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Post by Fingerplucked on Jan 8, 2016 22:42:32 GMT -5
People also like their cars, the sunroof, heated seats, Bluetooth connectivity and all the other specs and features, while often ignoring that people driving cars kill a vastly larger number of other people than do guns and their owners.Cars are a relatively recent convenience that our culture has decided are a necessity. Therefore, the dangers are minimized, the safeguards are laughable and nobody blind an eye or sheds crocodile tears when someone kills a family while speeding or drinking or texting.There are no Constitutional protections for car ownership; they could mandate tomorrow that all cars have governors preventing speeds over 35mph, breathalyzer ignition interlocks in all cars and jamming technology in all cars to preclude the use of mobile communications. Boom, traffic deaths drop to a couple hundred (you'll still have the suicides that are often the cause in single-vehicle fatalities). But they won't, because people think driving to Starbucks beats walking and nobody really cares that 40,000+ people die on US roads annually. Car deaths and gun deaths are pretty close. I don’t know what you mean by “vastly." Nobody cares about car deaths, particularly car deaths from speeding, drinking or texting? Is that really what you’re trying to say? I’m thinking that’s a typo, because that would be ridiculous. Cars kill. Cigarettes kill. Overeating kills. Sitting on a sofa or in an office chair all day kills. We westerners do all kinds of things that hurt our health and end our lives prematurely. But I can’t think of a single one outside of guns that is designed to kill. I can’t think of any other thing whose primary purpose is to kill. You buy a hammer to drive a nail. You buy a screwdriver to drive a screw. You buy a lawnmower to cut the grass. You buy a ladder to clean the gutters. Any one of those tools can kill if used improperly. And if your intent is to kill, you don’t buy a hammer, a screwdriver, a lawnmower or a ladder. You buy the right tool for the job. You buy a gun. You buy the tool that is most effective for killing.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Jan 8, 2016 22:49:01 GMT -5
Like it or not, every car owner would be safer if they didn't own one. You may be right, but I’d like to see the stats to support your contention. If you didn’t own a car you wouldn’t be out on the road in traffic, so that would work in your favor. And the extra exercise from walking or riding a bike would improve your health, so that too would work in your favor. But depending on where you’re going, you might be far safer in a car. Several years ago I spent months trying to figure out a good way to make my 15 mile trek to work on a bike. I really wanted to start riding my bike. But there was no way to get from my house to just outside O’Hare Airport without using major roads. I just didn’t feel safe without a car on that route.
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Post by epaul on Jan 8, 2016 22:50:00 GMT -5
I bought a screwdriver when I was sixteen with much anticipation, but alas, it was the right tool for the wrong job.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jan 8, 2016 23:02:12 GMT -5
I carry a murse. How do I practice with that? I used to practise with a nurse. But that's a different story. Mike
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Post by Fingerplucked on Jan 8, 2016 23:03:25 GMT -5
I bought a screwdriver when I was sixteen with much anticipation, but alas, it was the right tool for the wrong job. A long time ago, in a land far, far away, there was a pitcher of screwdrivers. I had most of the pitcher. In a three story dorm house. With a really cool roof that was fun to run around, if you were drunk enough. And then there was vomiting and getting back inside before passing out. I didn’t know that construction workers would be there the following morning to work on the roof. I didn’t know that they’d be pissed off about the chunky chunks I’d blown all over one section of the roof. I didn’t know that my wallet, with my drivers license, had fallen out of my pocket. And I didn’t know that the construction workers would find that wallet. But once I learned about all those things and saw how they fit together, I was pretty pleased that the construction workers did not beat the crap out of me.
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Post by xyrn on Jan 8, 2016 23:07:34 GMT -5
FP, the only error I made was leaving out deaths per gun and deaths per car. In that sense, there ARE way more deaths due to cars.
And, regarding the legislation of cars, of nobody had one you'd be able to bike or walk those major roads you referenced.
Sure, if everyone else still has "dumb cars" (fast, no ignition interlocks to prevent DWI, etc) then while you would hypothetically be less of a danger to yourself then you would still be in danger.
Matter of fact, thanks for making one gun control point for me: if there are still 300 million guns in the US minus me having one, then I'd be less likely to shoot myself but I'd be in the same, or greater danger from criminals.
We could argue statistics all night with neither of us making any ground on each other, statistics can be made to say anything the biased person wants, but the bottom line is we both think we're right but I have the Constitution backing me up.
The 2nd Amendment is not about recreation, it's about people killing other people.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 9, 2016 0:26:21 GMT -5
I bought a screwdriver when I was sixteen with much anticipation, but alas, it was the right tool for the wrong job. Shoukd have bought a hammer. Its always the right tool.
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Post by jdd2 on Jan 9, 2016 1:57:05 GMT -5
I have two hammers, also a big sledge--which I'm not sure counts as a hammer.
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One thing a bazillion guns in a country does allow for is a pretty fair number of lost, stolen, illegally sold (given away), and unaccounted for guns. So then it's easy to say that the genie is out of the bottle, and all the bad guys/girls already have (unregistered) guns, so it's no use tightening/closing loopholes, etc.
Unfortunate.
It will probably take generations, but I think it should get started.
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Post by jdd2 on Jan 9, 2016 2:17:00 GMT -5
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Post by Doug on Jan 9, 2016 6:51:44 GMT -5
One of the finalist in the Time "Word of the Year" voting.
ammosexual: firearm enthusiast
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Post by Doug on Jan 9, 2016 6:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 10:09:32 GMT -5
.22 Luger, WWII German training pistol, worth big bucks. Strum Ruger Mark I, very good target pistol. My Ruger Mark III 22/45 Bull barrel, excellent target pistol. The trigger pull is extremely light, not a carry weapon in any way.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 9, 2016 10:14:27 GMT -5
.22 Luger, WWII German training pistol, worth big bucks. Strum Ruger Mark I, very good target pistol. My Ruger Mark III 22/45 Bull barrel, excellent target pistol. The trigger pull is extremely light, not a carry weapon in any way. Seeing the arrow on the bolt, do Germans need a hint on which direction the bullets should go?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 10:19:54 GMT -5
I carry a murse. How do I practice with that? You don't, just drop a large socket wrench in the bottom and swing it when needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 10:22:37 GMT -5
.22 Luger, WWII German training pistol, worth big bucks. Strum Ruger Mark I, very good target pistol. My Ruger Mark III 22/45 Bull barrel, excellent target pistol. The trigger pull is extremely light, not a carry weapon in any way. Seeing the arrow on the bolt, do Germans need a hint on which direction the bullets should go? That's the American Ruger with the arrow and it' part of the extractor not an arrow.
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Post by majorminor on Jan 9, 2016 10:31:43 GMT -5
My MK III. Hunter is one of my favorite and most used pistols for plinking and target practice.
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Post by millring on Jan 9, 2016 10:35:34 GMT -5
My MK III. Hunter is one of my favorite and most used pistols for plinking and target practice. Be careful. Apparently statistics show that you could put your eye out with that thing.
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Post by majorminor on Jan 9, 2016 10:42:28 GMT -5
Well I'm big and burly so I think I could make that look work in an outlaw biker sort of way. You on the other hand? More of a monocle guy I think. 'Sides, I always close one eye when I'm shooting anyway.
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Post by coachdoc on Jan 9, 2016 10:43:48 GMT -5
I see those Mk III's and see repetitive stress injuries and solvent dermatitis.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jan 9, 2016 10:46:19 GMT -5
Repetive stress from a 22?
Mike
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